So I'm looking to get an idea of what I might expect from each.
What other malts would you say each of these malts are most similar too ?
As for Strathisla 12 - I'm not a frequent partaker - probably because the few times I've tried it I've been "underwhelmed" - and if they are close in price there is no contest.
However if at a comparable pricepoint Longmorn 15 is a far better bet, a much fuller dram. Previous posts are very consistent.
Stock up on Longmorn 15 now tho, the new 16 has been all 'premiumised' and priced accordingly with reports suggesting the old 15 will be sadly missed.
Here are my notes and scores. 75 is an average single mat (and hey, thats good stuff!). 80 is Reccomendable. Also, my Longmorn notes are from a bar botte, so not very reliable.
77 Sm Longmorn 15yo (45%,OB, circa 2005) Nose: A touch of sour apple candy (a good smell). Malty and firm. Not to powerful, just firm. Mouth: Spicy and malty. First the cinnamon spice than the malt. It needs a few minutes of breathing to bring out some of its complexity and balance. When I say complexity, I felt I had to work hard to find the elements. Finish: Very spicy, cinnamon and white pepper perhaps. Nice dram, but somehow it is not letting me in. I will need to try this again sometime. With Jill at the Capital Grill Charlotte. The night before our anniversary, 2006. The bottle was full and only a couple of months old.
80 Sm Strathisla 12yo (43%, OB, circa 2004) The last sip of the bottle, so perhaps some tasking notes are finally in order. I have had this one for a year, and have already scored it. These notes do reflect an aging bottle, but the score is form an earlier time. Nose. Spiced cookies, some hints of sherry. Mouth: Spicy and dry, moving into a long peppery finish. A dram that is a "full experience" if that makes sense. Seems like this might be a good one for someone moving from blends to single malts. Almost like an intense, flavorful blend, if this makes any sense. Perhaps this is because its one flaw might be some graininess through the middle. The score I gave it months ago seems right.
Great tasting notes, someone mentioned the Longmorn was similiar to Talisker, which gives me an idea of where in the taste spectrum it falls....can anyone else offer some more similaities for either Longmorn or Strathisla....
From your comments I leaning toward the Longmorn.....the prices I found are Longmorn $52, Strat $42....... not a big difference, both in my budget area for this purchase go 'round.
http://www.whiskymag.com/forum/viewtopi ... t=longmorn
Thanks, I do do that occasionaly, and if I recall I did try the Longmorn one time and really liked it, that's one of the reason I lite on it when I saw it, but I can't remember for sure if it was the Longmorn I tried or something else that started with an 'L'.............guess it pays to pay attention.....
Also, sometimes someplaces charge so much for a decent scotch and then they give you so little, I don't even bother with those places anymore, which kinda cuts down on the number of scotches I get to try....A place in town here has a really good selection, but they barely give you enough to smell it without feeling like you'll suck it all up your nose if you breath to hard.....another place in town has a much better pouring arm but only has about 8 malts to try......
So sometimes I get to thinking, gee by the time me and a buddy try a couple different malts each........I feel like, heck I ought just go buy a whole bottle........I actually like every scotch, and will not complain about drinking any bottle I get.....
But sometimes I find myself in the mood to look for something in a particular taste or get an upfront idea of what to buy......
So I'm still waiting for some 'similarities'..............what would you say a Longmorn 15 taste most like.......and the same for the Stathisla 12 ....can someone offer that up ?
JohnyyGuitar wrote:Can I get a similarity on each......
Would Longmorn be say like a MaCallan or Oban'ish...is it a wood finish ?
Is the Strathisla a Caggenmore - Clenish type
I would compare the Longmorn 15 with something like Craggenmore 10. They share a vibrancy and both project their flavours well. Longmorn has a bit more of that pear flavour thing going, more fruity than Craggenmore if my memory serves me well.
Disclaimer - It's been a long time since I've had Longmorn 15 but it left a strong impression on me that the flavours were...too forward. If it helps, I'd strongly prefer Glenfiddich 12 (creamier, and softer) to Glenlevit 12 (fruity/vibrant).
Strathisla 12 I've had curtesy of Wendy, and it left a nice impreesion on me. A quiet pour - not as quiet as Glenfiddich but fairly soft and quiet. Got that Caramel-y/toffee thing going on. Not quite a creaminess a la Glenfiddich, but reminds me a bit of 'fiddich.
Hope any of this helps Johnny. I can totally relate to wanting as much info as possible before making a purchase of a bottle I've never tried before.
killerwhale wrote:I consider Longmorn 15 as my 'baby' Talisker 18 (Talisker 18 is $100 , Longmorn 15 is $63 ), it doesn't have the peat/smoke in quantities but it does have the complex fruit..... lovely dram, just go buy it....
mmmm I think it has the complex fruit that is similar in complexity to Talisker..... I also wrote 'baby Talisker' in that regards .... also not the peat/smoke.
just my 'umble opin.....
it's a very good whisky for the price and I recommend it....
Apart from all the comments already made, fruitiness and such, the only things I can add are the great oak undertone it has and I'm always getting an impression of dark chocolate from the Longmorn 15.
On complexity, I would give strathisla more marks . Just that the eucalyptus on the finish puts me off.
I somehow never got the impression that longmorn had spiciness to it a la talisker.
The reason i would vote longmorn is that i prefer its flavour profile.
However, I am really curious on the new Longmorn 16y. that has just been launched. Does anyone have any experience from this expression?
Scotchio wrote:I did find a similarity in Longmorn and Talisker in the spicy attack of the palate, although the flavours I get are mainly thick malt and citrus with a little oak, it's pretty powerful and big for a speysider especially considering it's not particularly sherried. Strathisla 12 seems OK in a typically fruity lightly smoky speyside manner but like most here I'd probably go for the Longmorn first as it is the more distinctive of the two.
I agree 100% with these points. A great description of Longmorn BTW Scotchio!!!
I'd have to agree with what some have said that the Longmorn 15 bears a resembelance to a Talisker, I'd but it (Longmorn) more in a Talisker camp than a Cragganmore, either flavor would have been fine with me...
Did someone mention a similarity to Dalmore, Dalmore 12 ?.....I don't get that impresseion which is fine, I'm not a big Dalmore 12 fan..
I will say the Longmorn is a delicate whiskey.
I can also see the similarity in Longmorn and some blends, Dewares 12, Famous Grouse,etc...I don't mean that in a bad way.
So is there a list anywhere on the web that shows which scotches are similar in taste ? I realize if you go into the, floral, cookie-batter, etc, with such subjective notions such a list would be impossible. But realisticaly, one could group on some very basic and objective flavors....example....Islay for the most part would be grouped, wood finish for the most part could be grouped, drier brands like Clynelish/Craggamore, and then Talisker/Oban types, dah dah dah.....I'd love to see such a list, then if I one for example liked a Clynelish then could find similar brands to try.....the whole thing with the cookie-herbal-toasted-nut thing is so silly and subjective I find it meaning less and, well, worthless to read in reguards to making a new purchase....but don't get me started hammering the experts again.......
Anyway, the Longmorn, as is typical of opening a new bottle, tasted a bit stiffled when I first open the bottle, but as of the latest tasting, it is coming alive, I like !
Johnny I don't think there's a list of profile categorized malts and if there was it would be pretty subjective and a little contrived as often malts have nuances of a number of other whiskies. Mentally I've started to categorize by style and I've got it down to about 14 groups, for me longmorn fits in the malty style along with Cardhu, Glen Grant, St Magdalene and Dallas Dhu. The fact that Longmorn is really quite different to it's fellow group members perhaps shows the futility of such an
I agree things would get subjective, tastes from various whiskies overlap, so what group would you put them in.....
Still, many things in life are categorized, and list aren't always perfect, but that is understood in any type of categorize, such a grouping of scotch, I think, would immediatley help someone get a fast mental idea of what a brand's profile was like......the list would not be ment to get an exact picture, just a general one........
for example if one doesn't like heavy peat, and having not tried Caol Ila...he sees that it is group with Ardbeg, etc....well then..he would find that enormously helpfull, much more so than some cookie batter review...
Frankly it really surprises me to no end that someone hasn't produced a simple grouped listing of scotches. I did see a list someone tried to do - scientifically - to no surprise it made no sense as far as taste goes, it had something like Ardbeg in the same group as things like Glenlevit, I guess it made sense some how to them
Scotchio......I'd be interested in seeing your's, I'm sure other's would find it interesting too.
JohnyyGuitar wrote: for example if one doesn't like heavy peat, and having not tried Caol Ila...he sees that it is group with Ardbeg, etc....well then..he would find that enormously helpfull, much more so than some cookie batter review...
Well, there's them that like cookie batter, and them that don't.
I know such categorizations have been done. There are those spider wheels (or whatever you call them) that rate whiskies according to the amount of the basic flavors therein (I don't think cookie batter is one). Not sure where you can access a reasonably comprehensive list of such, though.
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