I'm lucky enough to have a cask of Kilchoman and recently recieved a sample from my refill bourbon. 6 months old !! and it is exceptional.
Very peaty but fruity,estery and sweet all at the same time. It has done so much in cask from what was excellent new make if i did not know better
I would say it could be 4-5 years old. Yes development will slow down. But I can't wait so I'm drinking this sample right now!! Hats off to Distillery manager Malcolm Rennie for producing such a quality spirit and to Anthony Wills for making this new distillery possible. It's also a great place to visit.
My advice. If you can get your hands on a cask (difficult) buy it!!!!!
You can view Dr Jim Swan's tasting notes on Kilchoman website.I think miniatures of new make were mentioned.
It only reinforces my belief that younger whiskies from 4-5yrs on should'nt
i know that bruichladdich did or maybe still does a deal where they will bottle your cask and pay all duties on it for you and even send the bottles from your cask for you, as long as you give them 2/3rds of the cask your bottling.... so i think fees may be a wee bit.
vitara7 wrote:yeh the £30 for 12 bottles, thats just for the bottling though, as soon as the cask comes out of bond its due taxes on the alcohol.
just saying the bottling cost cos the duty Calculation gets tricky and has been covered else where !
I also seem to remember that at Kilchoman you've got to use the distillery bottle and label , so no designing your own label or humping the cask to some other bottler like what you can do with Bruichladdich casks .
Mind you it's nice to put on the label "Distilled , Matured and Bottled at xxxxxxxxx Distillery , Islay , Scotland " !
I thought i'd posted the breakdown of costs elsewhere on this rorum but on a search couldn't find it , so if i have i apologise , here they are ....
The Original Cost of Purchase = £195 (32 litres of Port Charlotte at about 72% ABV)
Administration Fee =£30 (to cover C&E paperwork etc ).
Bottling Cost (£30 per case x3.25 cases [1 case = 12 bottles]) = £97.50
Duty (which is £19.56 duty per litre of pure Alcohol) on 39 bottles [Number of bottles x size of bottle x ABV] 39 x 0.7 x 61.4%=16.76L/A X £19.56 = £327.83
Vat = £80.87 (on everything bar the original cost if i remember rightly !)
Total = £731.20
So if we then divide this by the 39 bottles , we get a cost per bottle of £18.75 !
but now there's an additional factor to add on to the cost , the "Jim Murray" Factor , so going off the price rise in the OMC Ardbeg 1975 after he praised it each bottle must be worth at least Ooh.....£500 now.........
I didn't include the cost of the labels in this price as i done them on my printer but i had prices ranging from 0.5 Euros each for high quality Glossy ones (not self adhesive) to just over £100 for a roll of 1000 self adhesive ones (http://www.selfadhesivelabels.com , again quite high quality). Actually quite a lot of printers are not interested in low volume runs .
I had a case sent over to me for Christmas 2005 seeing i couldn't pick them up at the time of bottling and i think that cost me £15 , but the rest i picked up from the distillery at Easter . A friend of mine from America (Washington state) is on the verge of getting his Bloodtub bottled so it could turn out interesting to see how he gets it home and what the customs do . The same lad had an unfortunate incident with a courier company , he was shipping several bottles (not just 1 or 2 !) of the Plowed Port Ellen within the states ( from the importers in San fransisco to where he lives i think ) and they decided to destroy the lot for the good of the country !!!!! He was not a happy man !
I must say it's one of the best things i've ever done , there's nothing like having your own bottling , there's only one thing to do now ...own your own distillery !!!!!
hope that helps
Is your friend near Seattle? Ron and I would be very happy to help him drink his stuff....
I think it'll take me a little more while to get my gold membership and i'll never catch up to you thats one thing for sure !!!!
Laddie are quite open about their fees /costs etc , what you can and can't do (Cask/label wise ) , i know it may be a long way off but they should post some estimates of costs on the Kilchoman site so potential customers have some idea .
The things that put me of buying a cask of Kilchoman (and it's not that i think the whisky will be bad , the NM is one of the most drinkable i've ever tried ) are:-
You can't move the cask to be bottled elsewhere if you don't agree with the fees.
You can't use a personalised label (to me it gives you that something little extra special about your bottling).
I don't think a barrel of Kilchoman is worth the £200 premium above a barrel of Bruichladdich or Bladnoch . But that's just my opinion.....
Kilchoman have a good man in Malcolm Rennie , lots of experience at Ardbeg and from a good distilling family background , John (his dad ) was at Bunnahabhain for many years and from the re-opening until his retirement was at The Laddie in the warehouses , we had many a good chat about maturation . Going of the NM i tried Malcolm has got it spot on , wonder what his old man thinks ?
I'm happy to pay it, but I agree not everyone would justify the cost.
You're right, an indication of bottling costs and conditions should be made available for potential customers information. The website is very limited !!
I'm pretty sure that you are allowed your own name label on each bottle.
I've met Malcolm and John who both worked together at Bruichladdich for a few years before Malcolm moved on to Ardbeg when it re-opened. I think John was at Bruichladdich long before it re-opened, something like 25 yrs maybe. I know my cask of Kilchoman is in safe hands with Malcolm.
Just a wee aside, Kilchoman - Ardbeg similarities ? Not a bad thing.
Ailsacraig wrote:I'm pretty sure that you are allowed your own name label on each bottle.
This is one thing they do state on the site
"when mature it will be bottled using Kilchoman’s packaging. A slip label -
‘Specially Matured and Bottled for……………….’ can be added to the bottles."
By the sounds of it a wee label either at the top or bottom of the distillery label .
Still not the same as your own label.....
I'm just waiting to see what happens when a few friends start bottling their Springbank casks , i've never heard mention of what their costs are !
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