I'm new to the forum. Long time Bourbon drinker, scotch newbie. I'm a poor college student wondering what to do. I can buy a bottle of Bowmore 12 yo here for $24. The one thing holding me back is this FWP that I have recently heard of. Judging by the good reviews that I have read, $24 is a really good price, but this FWP has me worried. Is it a recent phenomenon, something that might not have been accounted for in older reviews that I've read? Is it something people run into 10%, 25%, 50% or more from Bowmore? Another thing is, I'm going to Scotland in two weeks. Am I better off buying a bottle there? I hear that the stuff is fairly pricy in its home country. I don't want to throw my $24 away on a bad bottle, but I don't want to throw away a good deal. any advice?
As to Scotland, yes the malts can be pricey but it all depends where you come from. As to the opportunity cost, for myself, I always try to find something that I cannot find at home and something that I think is unusual and the hell with the price within reason. If you add on the cost of a couple of bottles of great scotch onto the entire cost of the trip then usually it hardly makes a difference.
If you are in Edinburgh take a look at the Scotch Malt Whisky Society ( http://www.smws.com ) they have some great single malts at very reasonable prices at either venue.
As for the rest of the country you just have to ask and the members of this forum will give you lots of great advice, collectively they have a wealth of valuable knowledge.
Have a great trip and let us know what you brought home at the end of the trip.
(In other words, you get a 17% discount!!)
Admiral wrote:Of course, if you purchase more than 50 pounds of scotch from the more reputable outlets (i.e. The Whisky Shop, etc), and have the bottles tagged so that you can't open them until you get home, then you get your VAT refunded at the airport before you leave the UK.
(In other words, you get a 17% discount!!)
How does one go about doing this?
Anyway, with a proper receipt, you submit your documentation at Heathrow and either get refunded on the spot, or a cheque will be sent to you, depending on the amount.
My cheque arrived within 10 days
Actually, I now have a vague memory of attempting this, but being in something of a rush, deciding it wasn't worth the bother. Considering how much I bring back every year, it must have been quite a bother. And I flew out of Edinburgh. And I only had the proper receipts from two bottles from the Whisky Shop. It's coming back in dribs and drabs....
I think it's worth taking the risk. I'd actually say I'm sceptic towards the whole "FWP thing". I believe Admiral is one of the forum members whom has had quite a few Bowmore drinks and never discovered any FWP. I wonder if he did mention in an earlier thread that noone in Australia claimed to have found any FWP whatsoever?
But who knows - it seems to be fashionable these days to accuse Bowmore of this but I'd take the FWP claims with a pinch of salt.
I happen to have a bottle of Surf myself and I'll have a go at it the coming weekend to see for myself.
I guess the only one to answer your questin if it's worth it is yourself and noone else. If you plan to buy a single bottle and drink it only to replace with another brand I'd say you should perhaps buy something else and instead go for a Bowmore of any sort at your local bar. However, if your plan is to acquire a few bottles over time I'd say you should go for it. How else can one learn to like or dislike a whisky?
Christian doesn't believe it but I've had some bad ones. Perhaps some just like very perfumey whisky but not me and it doesn't seem in character with what I like to think of as good Bowmore.
Lawrence wrote:Tattiehead said:It may well exist, but most sightings are spurious
If we're talking about FWP, yes, I think so--a lot of people are turned off by Bowmore's floral quality, have heard of FWP, and assume that's it. That's not to say that it doesn't exist, juat that it's reported far more than it actually occurs. From the description I have heard of it as an overwhelming, plainly strange phenomenon, I feel quite certain I have never experienced it. I compared it once before here to an orgasm--if you've never had one, you're not quite sure what everyone is talking about. Once you have, there's no mistaking it.
If we're talking about eastern cougars, that's another story.
hpulley wrote:Christian doesn't believe it but I've had some bad ones. Perhaps some just like very perfumey whisky but not me and it doesn't seem in character with what I like to think of as good Bowmore.
I think I need to moderate myself as it would be clearly stupid of me not to believe someone who actually tasted it - especially persons like yourself that used to like Bowmore!
However, I do believe there are people out there uncritically judging it to be a bad whisky just because FWP has become todays black.
And it's very understandable if you are looking for something bad it'll turn out bad because your brain expect it to be - even if it didn't have to be unless you were made aware of it!
I'll try it this weekend and see for myself though.
MrTattieHeid wrote:Lawrence wrote:Tattiehead said:It may well exist, but most sightings are spurious
I compared it once before here to an orgasm--if you've never had one, you're not quite sure what everyone is talking about. Once you have, there's no mistaking it.
....so that means that the ones wrongfully claiming it to be a case of FWP is faking an orgasm......
Anyway, it didn't put me off the idea of future purchases of Bowmore whiskies.
I believe Admiral is one of the forum members whom has had quite a few Bowmore drinks and never discovered any FWP. I wonder if he did mention in an earlier thread that noone in Australia claimed to have found any FWP whatsoever?
You have a good memory Christian! To give you the details, I've probably had about 25 or 30 different OB bottles of Bowmore in the last 5 years, and I've sampled from about 10 independent bottlings. 12yo, 17yo, Legend, Darkest, Dawn, Claret, Mariner, as well four or five private independent bottlings (each older than 20yo), and then four or five SMWS bottlings. And no, I've never experienced FWP in any of them. In fact, they've all been stellar drams, with the exception of my last bottle of Darkest, which was disappointing. And yes, we here in Australia are very much aware of FWP being complained of in other countries, and all my local whisky colleagues are on the look out for it. So far, none of us have struck a tainted bottle.
Tom and I are currently undertaking an international experiment. He's sent me a sample bottle of some Darkest he purchased in Belgium, which he believes could be FWP-tainted. I have been "researching" this sample bottle with some drams over the last few weeks, and I'm getting some whisky colleagues to come around next week and sample it also. I'll report back to you all shortly!
Admiral will disagree strongly,
Correct!!!!! But for the record, I think Mr T is on the right track, and this is certainly the hypothesis that Tom and I are investigating. Bowmore is, and always has been, a fragrant malt. That's what makes it so enjoyable - the nose is always so complex. It offers the salt and peat of a great Islay whisky, but there's also some beautiful floral fragrant notes that a great Speysider would be proud of!!
Some people obviously try Bowmore, discover this fragrant quality, and then suddenly shout "FWP" simply because they've heard about it! I don't doubt FWP exists, but I do believe some innocent bottles have been falsely accused!
But in any event, Harry is right....the OB Bowmores are not what they used to be, but I still find them to be very enjoyable whiskies. I had some 17yo last night in fact, and it was bordering on wonderful!
Mr T....if you are able to do so, try getting hold of an SMWS Bowmore with about 20 years or so under its belt. Maybe liaise with Lawrence to assist you in obtaining it. I wholly believe your opinion of Bowmore will change for the better.
P.S. Bjorn.....buy the 12yo!!!
Admiral wrote:Mr T....if you are able to do so, try getting hold of an SMWS Bowmore with about 20 years or so under its belt. Maybe liaise with Lawrence to assist you in obtaining it. I wholly believe your opinion of Bowmore will change for the better.
Okay...it's on my to-do list. (Of course, so is "Ring up Nicole Kidman"....)
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