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Postby Jenny » Sun Apr 13, 2003 8:52 pm


I heard the Rosebank 8y whould be worth to sell ones house... Image I found now a bottle of Rosebank 11y (Gordon & McPhail). My question : Is the G&M Rb11y as good as the Rb8y?


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Postby hpulley » Mon Apr 14, 2003 2:13 pm

Hi Jenny,

Rosebank is my favorite lowland distillery and overall one of my favorites. It is sad that it is gone for good (was mothballed a decade ago and demolished recently I hear). So far my favorite bottlings have been a Murry McDavid 1989 11yo and a Signatory 1990 (which I think might have been an 8yo), both from ex-bourbon casks. Both are very, very good. I have some Signatory 1991 Rosebank on order which should arrive by the end of the week (can't wait!). I think you'll enjoy that 11yo.

I wish Gordon and MacPhail would bottle higher generally but with rare lowlanders getting scarce, beggars can't be choosers. I prefer 46%, or even 43% over 40% but what can you do? I have a bottle of G&McP Bladnoch on order right now though my supplier isn't sure he can get it (oh well, at least Bladnoch is up and running again thanks to Raymond). Thought I had a line on some Sig Bladnoch but was already sold out.


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Postby BruceCrichton » Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:05 pm

Rosebank 12 yr old is still available in a Flora and Fauna Bottling.

The distillery is definitely gone. It's on my to work in the morning.

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Postby Rudy » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:19 pm

Hello Jenny,

Rosebank is definitely one of the greatest Lowlanders. I had one from The Ultimate, an Independent bottled by Signatory.
The best ones I tasted were the Rare Malt expressions, both the 19y and 20y are excellent.

I'm just a bit afraid of G&M since a friend of mine bought a disappointing G&M Port Ellen 1981. It tasted too different from other Port Ellens of similar age. Maybe it has something to do with the 40% abv. (Any other possiblity is speculation, since I have no opportunity to check these possibilities myself.)

Signatory has a lot of different Rosebanks with a 'normal' 43% abv. Maybe they also have a Rosebank in the un-chillfiltered collection (at 46% abv) or the 'Straight from the cask' series, I expect that would be a great experience.

Murray McDavid is according to their standard un-chillfiltered and bottled at 46% abv.

Harry, maybe you like the 46% most, because that is the lowest % to bottle un-chillfiltered (like the MM)? If so, then it seems to confirm the thought that without chillfiltering you stay as close to the natural taste as you can.


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Postby hpulley » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:42 pm

I definitely prefer unchillfiltered, uncoloured whiskies. Dun Bheagan makes some 43% unchillfiltered expressions and they are quite good.

Even with filtered, coloured whiskies, I find 43% works better than 40%. 3% or 6% shouldn't make a difference but for some reason it is there. I don't know if it is just the philosophy that goes along with 40% (squeeze a few more bottles out of a cask) carrying over into other factors or what but I can tell. I only buy whiskies I can enjoy without water so I don't buy a lot of young, cask strength scotch as many are just too hot (I find I ruin my whiskies with water before finding the right balance so neat is preferred).

With lowlanders I don't mind the 40% so much but I don't know if that is due to their lighter character; their fragrant, sometimes spirity nose; or just the fact that good ones are hard to find in any strength and thus I settle for what I can get.


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Postby Jenny » Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:15 pm

Thanks a lot for all those great and very helpful answers!


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Postby ceedeedoos » Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:42 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hpulley:
Even with filtered, coloured whiskies, I find 43% works better than 40%. 3% or 6% shouldn't make a difference but for some reason it is there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree, the difference can be striking ... although I don't really mind the philosophy behind the 40% ... the problem with a lower abv is that you don't decide how the whisky is complemented by water, whereas with for example aberlour a'bunadh (which is 60.2%) I can decide just how much water goes in ... once a whisky is down to 40%, I don't like to add water anymore, or it loses an aspect to me ...

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Postby blackkeno » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:25 am

If malt bottled at 46% is not chill filtered, that alone could make a big difference. Even if it is chill filtered that extra 6% is actually quite a bit. Not only is it a 15% (6/40) increase in the amount of alcohol, but it avoids the addition of about 15% more H2O as well.

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Postby mcalpin1 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:49 am

Now I can search the web to order Rosebank, but I see several types... please advise one lowlands that wont break the bank for someone in the USA.

Rosebank (Flora & Fauna) 12 J. 43% 59,00 €
Rosebank 1981/2002 (Rare Malt) 20 J. 62,3% # 99,90 €
Rosebank 1983/1995 (Sig.) 43% * # 79,00 €
Rosebank 1989/1999 (BL) 59% # 61,00 €
Rosebank 1989/1999 (Cad.) 58,6% * # 59,90 €
Rosebank 1989/2002 (Conn.) 40% 49,90 €
Rosebank 1989/2002 (Celtic Etikett) 60,6% * # 41,90 €
Rosebank 1990/2001 (MM) 46% * # 48,50 €
Rosebank 1990/1997 (Milroy's) 60% * # 62,00 €
Rosebank 1990/2003 (Celtic Etikett) 57% # 42,50 € NEU!
Rosebank 1990/1999 (Millenium-Label; 1,5L-Flasche) (Sig.) 43% * # 88,00 €
Rosebank 1991/2002 Chieftain's (sherry wood finish) (MacLeod) 43% # 39,90 €
Rosebank 1991/2003 (Sig.) 43% #

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Postby i.m.mcaber » Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:30 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BruceCrichton:
The distillery is definitely gone. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So the buildings behind the beefeater are demollished finally? 4 years ago there was still the vessel which held the condensor tube visible, and the warehouses also. Image I'm glad I still have my photos and memories.

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