MAKING YOUR OWN WHISKEY FROM 1000 OAKS BARREL CO.

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Re: MAKING YOUR OWN WHISKEY FROM 1000 OAKS BARREL CO.

Postby LeoDLion » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:36 pm

OKDiver1 wrote:I finally got my 2 liter barrel from mardel souza. Took them about 3 weeks... Talk about aging.

It's curing with water now. Next I will use an amontillado sherry for 3 or 4 weeks. And then, I will fill it with either a Lismore, Tamdhu 10 or one of the McClellands, all cheaper SMS. No blends, for authenticity(!).
Maybe the second time around, but not now.

Glad to see somebody else is doing what I am doing. Mine only took 5 days to arrive, maybe Texas is closer? Its Fedex.

I think I will play with the sherry during finishing.
I would recommend the McClelland Islay. I tasted some after 7 months and there definitely is improvement all around.

Watch the evaporation. I lost 50% from a 1L barrel from evaporation after 7 months. They recommend to keep the level almost full when loss is detected.

Let us know what happen.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:13 pm

From what I've read, 7 months is really a long time, especially in a smaller barrel. Do you taste at regular intervals?
I expect the maturation to be very steep at first and then only marginally change after a couple of months. Especially if I can control evaporation and not keep adding "new" stuff in it. But again, I know nothing on this subject.

I was not quite sure about using an Islay. I love the peat, but as I will be using sherry first, the combination might be disappointing, or so I think. Should have bought another barrel I guess -- in the interest of scientific experimentation.

Fun project. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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Postby LeoDLion » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:56 pm

OKDiver1 wrote:From what I've read, 7 months is really a long time, especially in a smaller barrel. Do you taste at regular intervals?
I expect the maturation to be very steep at first and then only marginally change after a couple of months. Especially if I can control evaporation and not keep adding "new" stuff in it. But again, I know nothing on this subject.
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Fun project. Thank you for sharing your experience.

I did not taste at regular intervals but from now on I will. I was thinking of letting it stay longer for an equivalent of 30 years (whatever that translate into in weeks).

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Postby Deactivated Member » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:20 pm

Okay, the water's in so I'll leave that for a couple of days while I decide what's going in the cask after that.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:18 pm

butephoto wrote:Okay, the water's in so I'll leave that for a couple of days while I decide what's going in the cask after that.

Let us know what you decide to use. Yours is a 1L barrel, correct?

I received mine (a 2L) a couple of days ago. I rinced it with boiling water a couple of times first, and now it is curing. There were a few leaks for about the first 12 hours, but no drainage since. I think it is saturating nicely -- I had to top it off with less than a teaspoon of water this morning.

The only problem I see so far on mine is the bung. Very flimsy, and not tight. I might replace it with a cork when I fill it with the real stuff.

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Postby LeoDLion » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:35 pm

I filled one of the 5L with Famous Grouse and the other with Scoresby. I did not see any leak while curing. The spigot flow is very slow but I guess one need to be patient.

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Postby LeoDLion » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:39 pm

The 1L on the left has McClleland Islay for the past 8 months. I am getting ready to bottle it. The other has McClleland Highlands and it was just started a week ago.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:46 pm

Very interesting, thank you for posting. Pictures are always nice.
I think I will buy another barrel for another experiment. Maybe Port instead of sherry. And maybe another for direct scotch maturation, like you.
When I am happy with the final result(s), I'll make a few samples available for those who are interested.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:49 pm

Okay, I'm going to pick up a bottle of Port on the way home tonight and swap the water in the barrel for that.

Pics and stuff to follow...

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Postby OKDiver1 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:24 pm

Big celebration last night: after 3 days I dumped the water (which had turned a pale yellow), and filled my barrel with a De Soto Amontillado sherry. Not really a bad sherry to begin with, it should be much improved in 3 weeks.

No leakage to report this morning. I will keep an eye on the level every 5 days, so as to make sure the wood is fully saturated and ready when I fill it with whisky at the end of this sherry period.

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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:51 pm

I just got a bottle of Taylor's Reserve port for half-price in Somerfield which I'll put into the barrel tomorrow night. No time tonight.

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Postby Ras Mazunga » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:51 pm

How much did the shipping cost?
Can't find an easy answer on the site.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:10 pm

Ras Mazunga wrote:How much did the shipping cost?
Can't find an easy answer on the site.

If you are interested in the 1000 Oaks Barrel company, you might want to send them an email at this address: shipping @ 1000oaksbarrel.com
(I added spaces before and after the @ symbol).
Good luck.

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Postby LeoDLion » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:43 pm

I find the oak barrels from mardel souza cheaper than 1000 oaks. Their link is

http://www.mardelsouza.com/

and email address is admin@matpage.com

Ask Alex the cost of shipping.

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Postby LeoDLion » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:42 pm

Collector57 wrote:matpage.com
Spooky or what?

Oh my gosh, I have been buying my oak barrels from Matt !!!

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Postby OKDiver1 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:45 pm

LeoDLion wrote:I find the oak barrels from mardel souza cheaper than 1000 oaks. Their link is

http://www.mardelsouza.com/

and email address is admin@matpage.com

Ask Alex the cost of shipping.


I bought mine from Mardel Souza as well, and it is a great, cheap barrel, but the reason why I submitted a 1000 oaks link is that I had serious problems with Mardel Souza's shipping -- took 3 weeks, wrong tracking number, which ended up with an admission that my barrel had not been shipped at all, and I am here in the USA. Therefore, while my difficulties might have been isolated, I did not want to recommend this supplier to a potential overseas customer.

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Postby LeoDLion » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:02 pm

I have no complaint on the delivery. Mine took about 5 days or so, by Fedex. The barrels were wrap in sarap wrap. All was there. The spigot on one came loose but I just put it back and whack it with a wooden mallet and its in there tight. I was trying to smell inside from the bung hole for burnt odor but couldn't tell either way.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:18 pm

Leo,
I am pretty happy with mine too, and I think their prices are very good for what you get. Feels nice and sturdy. Mine was also wrapped in saran paper, but no loose part. The bung is a little flimsy, but I soaked it in water for a while, and there is more of an interference fit now. The thing is not to push it all the way in -- at least for mine. Did not really smell like anything either (I was ready for some big time burnt wood smell) until I got it wet.

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Postby LeoDLion » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:04 pm

OKDiver,
The only thing I can think of why it took them 3 weeks to deliver yours is they dont have the barrel in stock. When I was ordering they said the one I wanted was not in stock and it will take some time so I selected one that is available.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:34 pm

I suspect you might be correct.
According to Alex, "my" barrel was in stock when I ordered. After a week (which is normal, according to Alex, and underlined on their ebay listings -- which I did not use), I got a FedEx tracking number, indicating that the electronic paperwork had been submitted. After another week, the package still had not been made available for pick up. After another 5 days, I complained to Alex. The following day, I received a new tracking number, and my barrel was here 3 days later.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:49 pm

Here is a summary of my setup, for those who are interested:
1. Bought a 2L barrel from Mardel Souza (Brownsville, TX - USA). US$26 including shipping.
2. Day 1:
* Rinsed it 3 times with boiling water. Only a few wood particles came out.
* Filled it with water and cured it for 4 full days. I had a minor leak for about the first 12 hours, but nothing after that.
* I topped it off a couple of times - a reasonable amount of water (5 cl) was absorbed by the wood by the end of Day 1, and less by Day 2. Level did not change significantly on Days 3 and 4, perhaps 1/2cl.
4. Day 5:
* Dumped the water, and let drain for an hour or so. Water was a weak yellow in color, and smelled like... wet wood with a little smoke.
* Filled it with Tio Soto (Jose de Soto) Amontillado Sherry, US$8/bottle.
* Laid the barrel and its stand on a white plate (to detect possible leaks), and put a few very wet folded-over paper napkins on the bottom of the plate (underneath the stand).
* I then placed the whole thing in an old 1ft x 1ft x 1ft cardboard box, closed. The purpose of this is to maintain a relative degree of humidity, as well as shade.
5. Day 8: no leaks on the plate. Topped off with about 1cl of sherry, and re-moistened the now-dry towels. I was surprised by how little had evaporated/been absorbed by the wood so early on in the process.

I will edit this post as the experiment moves along, and add a picture or two.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:51 pm

I tried hard to find a funnel to buy from somewhere so I could pour in the port tonight, but alas I am funnel-less. I'll have a look around tomorrow. I should probably empty the water that's been in it for three days and replace it.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:57 pm

butephoto wrote:I tried hard to find a funnel to buy from somewhere so I could pour in the port tonight, but alas I am funnel-less. I'll have a look around tomorrow. I should probably empty the water that's been in it for three days and replace it.

I had the same problem at first, but found one since. What I did was use aluminum foil that I folded and wrapped into a cone shape. I don't think the sherry was in contact with the foil long enough to oxidize -- pouring it took me a couple of minutes at most.

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Postby Deactivated Member » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:00 pm

I have time to look around the shops tomorrow, but if not then I'll try that. Cheers!

Oh, a work colleague last night bought a couple of casks off the 1000oaks site because they had a BOGOF offer on. It had vanished by the time he told me about it this morning. Did anyone else see it???

:?

Also, I see people talking about some leaks. Mine hasn't leaked a single drip at all. Those 1000oaks ones are good!
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Willie JJ wrote:
butephoto wrote:I tried hard to find a funnel to buy from somewhere so I could pour in the port tonight, but alas I am funnel-less. I'll have a look around tomorrow. I should probably empty the water that's been in it for three days and replace it.

Whassamatter? Shaky hand? :)


It's a really small hole, said the bishop to the actress...

I don't really want port all over the place.

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Postby Deactivated Member » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:29 pm

I went to my local hardware, well hardware and junk, store which I couldn't get to during the week and lo and behold - funnels of every size. I got a wee one for the barrel and a bigger one for pouring things back into bottles.

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Still not filled the thing yet. Oh, well. One step at a time...

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Postby OKDiver1 » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:33 pm

Congratulations on your purchase of a much needed funnel. Bravo.
Now, go and fill that barrel. The sooner you do, the sooner you'll be able to sample your own beverage. Trust me, this is wasted time, and you'll get impatient and remorseful later on in the process... :D

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Postby LeoDLion » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:47 pm

I feel lucky. I went to a WalMart store and found a set of 4 funnels in different sizes. It only cost about $1.50 for the set. Thank you China.

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Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:19 pm

Just put the port in. Wonder how long to leave it. Hmm...

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Postby OKDiver1 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:41 pm

I will keep sherry in mine for 3 weeks. I think the gentleman from the Whisky Lounge blog kept his for 3 or 4 weeks, but do not recall for sure. My thoughts are, since it is a small barrel, contents will mature much faster, and I do not want my barrel to be too impregnated with sherry as to make the whisky which will follow too sherried. I want the oak to still be there.
For what it is worth.

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Postby LeoDLion » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:50 pm

I am thinking of using the two 1L barrel I have for finishing. After maturing in the 5L, I will transfer some to the 1L for maybe another 4 weeks of maturation. Prior to that, I will put sherry in the 1L to 'flavor' it. I thought this is what Macallan does.

How long to put the sherry? 3 weeks looks fine. In my case, I will taste periodically and stop when I think it absorb the sherry enough.

I will not be using the 1L barrel for regular maturation as it loses too much.

Also, I will start weighing the barrels so I have a record on how much evaporation is taking place. And I need a hydrometer to get the ABV too.

I will be ordering 4 5L oak barrel from Mardel Souza. Heyyyy. I am in business. With a total of 6 5L barrel, I should have a ready barrel every two months. But have to wait for a year for the first one.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:07 pm

LeoDLion wrote:I will not be using the 1L barrel for regular maturation as it loses too much.


So you will be keeping sherry in them full time? Or throw cheap stuff in there to keep them wet until you are ready to use them for finish? They need to contain liquid all the time.

Yep, looks like you are in business.

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Postby LeoDLion » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:14 pm

Right now the two 1L have maturing whisky which I just put in a week ago. When done, I will rinse them with water and put water in to keep it wet. When I am ready, I will put sherry for 3-4 weeks before putting the whisky. There's some timing to be done but its fun.

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Postby OKDiver1 » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:33 pm

Leo,
Wouldn't water left long enough in the barrel accumulate some kind of bacteria, some good, some bad? The alcohol contained in wine, vinegar or whisky probably takes care of that, but just plain water?
Maybe Alex would know? I might be totally off base here.

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Postby LeoDLion » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:54 pm

OKDiver1 wrote:Leo,
Wouldn't water left long enough in the barrel accumulate some kind of bacteria, some good, some bad? The alcohol contained in wine, vinegar or whisky probably takes care of that, but just plain water?
Maybe Alex would know? I might be totally off base here.

You are right that water long enough will grow bacteria and other nasty things. Its a matter of timing. If the time lag is quite long, I will just let it empty and dry out. Then, wet again with water. Alex said thats the way to do it if the barrel is let to stand dry for quite a long time.

There is also this cleaning kit that you can buy from 1000 Oaks Barrel for $13.95. And re-charring too. This is sometime to do in the future.


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