Ardbeg 10 yo – Same packaging as today, but with a diagonal banner at the top of box that states “Introducing TEN YEARS OLD”
Talisker 10 yo – The box is dark blue with a stone-grain appearance - on the front appears a stone with the Isle of Skye carved on it. No age statement on the box. The bottle label has a picture of Skye in the center with “Aged Ten Years” in small print below this picture.
Talisker 10 yo – Another one, but this box has a map of Western Scotland on three panels with the Isle of Skye being centered on the front panel. The bottle label has a map of Skye on the left side with “10” being on the right side.
I would post a photo, but not sure how . Thanks for any help!!
Oh Waspish one:Yellowjacket wrote:...Talisker 10 yo – Another one, but this box has a map of Western Scotland on three panels with the Isle of Skye being centered on the front panel. The bottle label has a map of Skye on the left side with “10” being on the right side...
This is identical to one I purchased here in Ontario in Feb 2002, so it's a design that's been around for a while.
I wonder if the Ardbeg was an early release from the new management, which would date it to around 1998. See if you can spot any code numbers printed on the glass, probably on the back of the bottle below the label. (The Talisker likely has similar. If it's not on the glass, it might be on the back of the front label--you'll have to drink up to find out!) I don't know how to interpret these, but it's been discussed here before, and I'm sure someone does.
I found it in the faq, where there's more threads dealing with Talisker.
The Ardbeg is the first release of Ardbeg 10 by the new owners. I am not sure of the precise release time.
It has been discussed previously here: http://www.whiskymag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4642
I suspect this could be or become collectible.
Lawrence wrote:The "Introducing" Ardbeg is now a collectors item as is the older map style Talisker.
I did eventually get my Talisker 10 with the map packaging and delighted to say it has been and gone and I relished every drop. However I must say it was no better or worse than one newer bottling I bought eventhough I did have a very dissappointing new bottle also. It still was great though which makes me believe that Talisker fluctuates through batch runs and that the old addage that older bottlings were better might not neccessarily hold true.
vitara7 wrote:that a wee plug there per chance...
But it tends to be how i keep track of such things ( i.e. looking in the message archive).
A simpler way to work it out is by when Ardbeg was producing .
Allied din't start producing again at Ardbeg after the Mothballing until November 1989 (very little production) , so with Glenmo buying Ardbeg early 1997 (production restarting June 1997) the earliest Glenmo could release a 10yo Ardbeg would be 2000 .
"For bottlers such as Glenmorangie, and other Broxburn area bottlers, at the bottom of the bottle the glass is feintly etched with a code, quite tricky to make out but legible in good daylight.
"I'll use an example to explain - my currently open Ardbeg TEN OB, bought earlier this year reads L5 284 21:29 4ML. This means it was bottled in the year 2005, on the 285th day of that year at 9.29pm that day. The final few digits I think are basically translated as 'Ardbeg'.
"So, L1=2001, L2=2002 and so on, followed by the next number being the day and then you have the time. This helps the bottler with quality control etc. "
I have a bottle of Uigeadail in which I clearly see etched on the bottom in a single line: L5 237 18:32 4ML. But on the Ardbeg TEN "Introducing" bottle there is a very faint etching near the bottom that I almost missed. Describing it: Left side has a double size "L". Right side has two rows of numbers, the top is "0 040" and the bottom is "1532". There is nothing like 4ML present. If I use the system Ardbeg311 described, the first 0 may indicate year 2000, the 040 would be the 40th day of the year (February 9), and the 1532 would indicate a time of 2.32 pm. I have no idea if I'm actually interpreting this code correctly or not.
As for the Taliskers, each has a code on the back of the labels (I did not have to open and drink the bottles, a flashlight did the trick ). For the "Map" Talisker the code was on the back of the front label and read: LLJL02198352. For the other one, the "Rock" Talisker, the code was on the back of the rear label and it read: L15R00709407. I've not found any information about how to interpret these codes. Anyone know any more?
Thanks again, everyone, and I'll keep searching.
I also have one of these bottles (clear bottle with gold cap?). On the front label, to the lower right side, is the number 00088854. On the rear label, to the upper right side is the number 00088853. Does your bottle also have this number? I'm thinking that these numbers might be label ID numbers, but I'm not sure. My bottle also has the IV47 8SR at the bottom of the rear label. Is this somehow a part of a postal code that goes with the "Carbost, Isle of Skye"?
I believe the bottling code is on the back of one of the labels. If you use a flashlight and look carefully through the bottle you can spot it. On my bottle it is on the back of the rear label. I've seen on many other bottlings that it appears on the back of the front label. My particular bottle has the code L15R00709407, but I have not been able to determine its meaning. I have gathered codes from several different Diageo bottles and plan to e-mail Diageo for assistance sometime in the future.
Anyone know anything more?
I was thinking of selling it, but then I realized that the profit I could make wouldn't be worth the pleasure of drinking it.
Did I notice any differences? Well, I can't guarantee that it's different because of the excitement of drinking an older bottling. I got more fruit (apples, pears) and more smoke/peat. That's about it though. Classic Talisker pepper. I'm not sure if it's my imagination, but the added complexity of this one makes it worthwhile. Price: $53.
I bought my Talisker bottle about a month ago. My plan is to eventually compare it to the current Talisker 10 year old, just as you are doing. I also have what I call a "Map" Talisker 10, which is a green bottle with gold cap, has the Isle of Skye map on the left side of the label, and comes in a box with a map of Scotland on it. This is an even older bottling (I think in the range 1999 - 2002) and is supposed to have a slightly greater hint of the traditional Talisker pepperiness. I plan to include this in my comparison. Right now I have way too many openned bottles and am trying to fully enjoy these first before openning any new bottles.
I know Diageo botlling codes have been discussed here before, and I'm sure someone will be able to decipher them for you.
Yellowjacket wrote:As for the Taliskers, each has a code on the back of the labels (I did not have to open and drink the bottles, a flashlight did the trick ). For the "Map" Talisker the code was on the back of the front label and read: LLJL02198352. For the other one, the "Rock" Talisker, the code was on the back of the rear label and it read: L15R00709407. I've not found any information about how to interpret these codes. Anyone know any more?
Thanks again, everyone, and I'll keep searching.
Did you ever get any information on the "LLJ" code? Just so happens I checked one of my local stores & discovered 2 bottles of the "Map" Talisker 10, along with one "Rock" (which I already own.) I bought both "Maps"
Did you ever get any information on the "LLJ" code? Just so happens I checked one of my local stores & discovered 2 bottles of the "Map" Talisker 10, along with one "Rock" (which I already own.) I bought both "Maps" [/quote]
I recently wrote Diageo asking about their various codes. A representative responded very quickly and very nicely explained about the code on the newer bottles, but the individual was not knowledgeable about the older codes, such as the "LLJ" codes. For the newer codes I was informed:
'LxxxxCM000 xxxxxxxx (where "x" represents a number). The first digit
indicates the year the product was bottled and the next three indicate
the day (out of 365). The subsequent numbers indicate the plant and time it was bottled. For instance, your bottle of Talisker 18 yo with the lot code
L4322CM000 04750887 would have been bottled on the 322nd day (Nov. 17) of 2004.'
I e-mailed back about possible further avenues for additional information and am waiting at this time.
I really believe the "LLJy" code (where "y" is a letter) comes from the '90's, but I'm not positive. Does anyone know when the "Classic Malt" line came into being? I've found a Talisker 10 yo and a Glenkinchie 10 yo that both have LLJA codes. The packaging on both of these are slightly different from the other LLJ bottlings of Talisker and Glenkinchie. Neither of these boxes have the "Classic Malt" symbol (the one with the Quaich device in the center), actually printed on the box. Instead there is a sticker with this device placed on the box. Further, the symbol does not say "Classic Malts of Scotland" but, instead, "Classic Malts Lowland" for the Glenkinchie and "Classic Malts Isle of Skye" for the Talisker. Finally, neither box has a listing of the other Classic Malts on them. The Glenkinchie box is dark green instead of usual burnt orange and the back panel is blank. The Talisker box has the same map but the back panel has a brown stripe down the middle instead of listing the other Classic Malts.
Whew. Well, all this is to say that I believe these may be early or first bottlings of the Classic Malts which the "A" in the LLJA code might indicate. But what does the fourth letter represent? Is A the first year, B the second year, etc? I read somewhere that someone thought they might be half year codes. I really don't know. If someone knows when the "Classic Malt" concept started, we might know what year the "A" represents and then work from there. Any other thoughts?
That's the best I can provide at this time. I'll let you know if I find anything else.
Are there any other distinguishing features that you might see? Possibly provide any photos? Might be able to firm things up a little better with more info.
Please remember, this is my estimate, not to be used in a hard-and-fast manner.
Cheers - Bob
Again, educated guesses on my part, but nothing to be absolutely positive about.
Cheers - Bob
The box has just a barcode (sticker) on the bottom, and the Classic Malts, Isle of Skye is, indeed, a sticker added to the box on the upper left.
Ardbeg 10 Original Packaging.
Ardbeg 10 Current Packaging.
Now the Talisker that I have found, thanks to Yellowjacket, IWC and the other threads.
Early 90's Map bottle w/map box and Classic Malts sticker at upper left on box. Gold cap w/Green bottle.
2nd version of Map bottle w/map box and Classic Malts on box at upper center. Gold cap w/Green bottle.
Grey box with a style change. Gold cap w/clear bottle.
Current packaging is blue box, blue cap w/clear bottle.
At least here are the pics, and a short description. Yellowjacket has more knowledge on these bottles, but I just wanted to fulfill Mikeymad's request.
The Talisker 10 bottled around 1992 is on the left and the Talisker 10 bottled around 1998 is on the right. Note the printed "Classic Malt" emblem at the top middle of box on right while the left (1992) box has a stick on "Classic Malt" emblem at the top left of box.
Cheers - Bob
Edit: Despite the preview, it is still only showing half the photo
Cheers - Bob
This is the circa 1992 bottling.
This is the circa 1998 bottling.
Still trying to get the photo sizing figured out. But if you look closely at the bottom of the top photo (circa 1992) you will notice on the box the size is listed as 75 cl, which is the UK designation. I will show in a later photo that the back of the box has a sticker with 750 ml on it. In the bottom photo, the circa 1998 box lists the size as 0.75L/75 cl/750 ml, which includes to common US designation in ml. My research indicates that in the UK, according to EEC regulations, bottle sizes switched from 75 cl to 70 cl in May 1991. I wonder if older 75 cl boxes and bottles from prior to May 1991 where used to ship to US?
Cheers - Bob
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