Which whisky producers (Scotland and elsewhere) would you say are craft, or artisanal, and why?
Collector57 wrote:It seems to me that to classify a distillery as "craft" just because it has a small output, is ridiculous.
Craft is about skill and attention to detail and so on. It's nothing to do with size. I suspect all these definitions from people saying it means "below 50000 gallons" or whatever arbitrary figure they choose, are written by people running small distilleries.
The product could be drain-cleaner material and they would still call it craft. That's nonsense.
My take on the term, is based off of beer, in which case a craft brewery is typically a small scale brewery. I mean I think it is somewhat debatable as to whether or not Sam Adam's is actually craft or not. But if you want to go with the attention to detail and such, which tends to fit a lot of the smaller breweries, but it could also have to do with the depth of what they are offering.
The breweries that are not considered Craft beers often produce a rather small range of standard offerings, which in terms of whisky may be the Glenfiddich, and Glenlivet who seem to do very little exploration in terms of the Distilllery bottled offerings. So some craft distilleries if you go by the range of exploration and offerings they have may be Macallan, and Glenmorangie to name a few.
But I really have no clue how to abstract the definition I have in my mind of Craft Breweries, to distilleries, part of which is because in my mind I believe you need an incredible amount of start up capital, and have a large production base to even make it in most countries, esp. the US.
I think the term is harder to justify in the whiskybusiness in say the brewing business
pkt77242 wrote:I personally think craft has to do with innovation and not being owned by a large company... My innovation definition of innovation could be different from yours or anyone elses.
I'm pretty much with your take on this subject, Sean, though I'd also (in this day of technological impetus) tend to view any distillery's decision to return to a more hands-on, traditional mode of operation at the various stages of processing as an 'innovation' of sorts.
As far as many of the industry spokespersons are concerned, however, the term 'craft distillery' would seem to cut a far wide swath. That '16 Men of Tain' campaign that Glenmorangie launched many years back is a prime example.
http://nonjatta.blogspot.com/2008/04/vi ... chibu.html
Privately owned, operated and born of the passion of one man. And for the low production volume crowd, yep that as well. NC and NCF whisky.
non chill filtered
no E150a added (carmel)
above 46% abv
The Springbank makes a "craft" presented whiskey so he refered to the distillery that way. My .02 anyway.
http://whiskyreviews.blogspot.com/2009/ ... st_17.html
Willie JJ wrote:I think this is a clear case of what George Bernard Shaw referred to as 'two nations divided by a common language'. In this case it seems to extend on the East side of the Atlantic to Denmark (and Germany Rodger?)
Yep, from Norfolk (England) but now based in Germany.
Willie JJ wrote:as Steffen, Rodger, Nick and I all hold one understanding of the term and everyone on the West holds another. I don't doubt that Ralfy, as a Scot, had a sort of handmade, do it all yourself attitude in mind when referring to Springbank (we can always ask him of course). I fully accept that it may mean something different in North America. One thing I don't quite get Sean is what is it about the word craft that makes you think that it is in any way measurable? To me and I suspect everyone else on this side of the pond it is the antithesis of that.
Interesting observation. I wouldn't have picked up on that one, but I suspect you might well be right. It could simply be word usage and interpretation based on cultural understanding.
Really, I had no clue what Ralfy meant when he referred to Springbank as "craft"- he's so into the NCF, NC, > 46% thing that maybe that was really all he meant. But more interesting is what WE interpret as a craft distiller.
Malt Advocate did an article on craft distillers in 2009 (Volume 18, Number 1) which I found very informative.
Willie JJ wrote:John Barleycorn wrote:Craft distilling is an American concept;
It is if you use it in the American sense ...
Of course you have to use the American sense. They coined the term; they developed the craft distilling movement, they are the ones thinking outside the box. The last time a Scotch distiller thought outside the box, in relation to whisky distilling, was Loch Lomond Distillery; when they produced a malt whisky using a column still, the SWA had a fizzy fit. If I was in the situation of starting up a distillery I would base it in England or Wales were there are fewer restrictions.
John Barleycorn wrote:Willie JJ wrote:John Barleycorn wrote:Craft distilling is an American concept;
It is if you use it in the American sense ...
Of course you have to use the American sense.
I agree with Willie on this one. There is no patent on the use and meaning of a word or phrase. Something can develop in one place or culture and alter its meaning when transferred to or used by those of another linguistic or cultural background. The use of absolutes doesn't help in illustrating differing interpretations, as it seems have been illustrated in this discussion.
But, as Willie said, we can agree to differ.....
Craft is not necessarily small but generally relates to being hand-crafted. OK, some of the larger distilleries claim 'craft' but you could debate this as it is generally still a standard process day in day out. We at Strathearn Distillery will be small and every batch will be unique. So we solve the problem by labeling ourselves a craft micro-distillery.
But then, what is a micro-distillery ?
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