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I've also heard that Italy is the country where a large number of fake whiskies come from. Don't know if this is true but have noticed that on average there is a large number of vintage Macallans on offer from Italian ebay sellers and also read somewhere that most fake bottles discovered so far are Macallans. Can anyone confirm this?
I too, have noticed that Italy has been the main market for fakes (specially Macallan seems to origin from here) but several very old bottlings from other distilleries have also been questioned.
There are some good stories regarding the Laphroaig Highgrove Edition and the 30year olds that are well worth reading. I am sure Lawrence here on the forum can tell you more regarding this...or read the story here:
For further reading about fakes, check WM, issues 28 and 31.
If you come across a bottle that you suspect is fake you can always ask here for help or contact the Malt Maniacs for further investigation.
Italy does seem to like The Macallan as a brand and, as The Macallan has been very collectible for many years now, constantly increasing in value, it is no surprise that The Macallan is a target for forgers.
I guess the most famous and well known examples are the series of very old Macallans bought by the distillery themselves.
Maltmaniacs is a good site, especially when it comes to identifying fakes.
Lawrence wrote:Mr. Ellen, I've not read that srtory for quite a while and it's worth noting that Allied replaced all the bottles for all the sellers, myself included, which I thought was very, very decent of them.
Yes, it was a remarkable feat as they didn't have anything to do with it. Honours to Allied for handling the matter in such an extraordinary good manner.
Have you drunk the replacement bottle??
According to the company, they were actually bought by a whisky rep working in Turkey, and deposited on loan at the distillery - a hard-to-believe claim, it must be said, given other statements that emanated from the Mac people when the doodoo hit the fan.
And they weren't "very old" Macallans at all, as the firm was forced to admit after submitting them to tests (not without a great deal of prodding from this forum, and in WM)!
An ignominious affair, badly handled, that destroyed the credibility of Mac's pr and marketing folks for many people.
The Scotsman reported it thus:
These were bought, as I have read in many different publications, by the distillery as very old bottlings. My belief is that these could have been the basis, as in giving Macallan the idea of creating their series of replicas.
As it turns out, this did indeed somewhat backfire and I feel has harmed Macallan's image in the collectible market. The single factor which probably caused most harm was their reluctance to admit the fakes for so long!
This was confirmed by a Macallan ambassador I recently met. Giuseppe is called upon frequently when Macallan is looking for certain bottles, vintages, etc. Two of the Macallan bottles I saw last year have a value of approximately 30,000-40,000 Euro each.
His collection of not only Macallan but other whiskies is more than breathtaking. It's overwhelming! And his wherehouse next door, his stock he sells from, has many vintage Macallans still in their original cases and packaging.
I'll take a look at that link later, it sounds impressive.
One collector I do know about has http://www.bestwhisky.com
This is also a stunning collection.
I first came across this guy through Ebay.de when I bought an 18 y/o from him.
It would take me a little research, but I will see if I can at least identify his Ebay ID and PM you.
I won't post exact details on here.
Earlier today I was browsing through a few whisky sites: Maltmadness, Peatfreak, Ulf Buxrud, malt maniacs (fakes page) plus a few others and this site was certainly listed in some of the 'links' sections.
Di Blasi wrote:Italy is Italy! A beautiful, wonderful and very special place! Being half Italian, (having most of my family still there and spending lots of time there throughout my life), I can also say it's a "survival of the fittest mentality" so to speak. Not only do you have to watch your change and wallet, etc, you have to be aware of the shoes on your feet, as they may be stolen while you're walking around enjoying the sites. My grandfather says "Italy is the most beautiful country in the world, but too bad it's full of Italians!"
Rome is jaw dropping, so you have to be careful your golf fillings aren't taken. New York was the same. Great great place, but the people weren't very nice at all. This is very strange, as I believe the Americans are the most hospitable people in the western world.
I also highly reccomend Kik Bar, (aka The Whisky House, which I can't find a site for now), reasonable prices, good selection!
Which I have heard the food is very good, but expensive, but again, one of the best collections in the world too!
And to help better understand Italians passion for whisky...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/097095 ... e&n=283155
Also available at the Whisky Exchange.
The first person I encountered on the way into New York was a customs official. If I wasn't afraid of being turned on my heals and sent back to Ireland, I would have taken him up on his behavior.
Di Blasi wrote:Excellent point Aidan, well put! America will count 300 million in October, and yes, lots of very different and wonderful people there! I'll be visiting New York in September, and will have to visit Keane's Chophouse! Any other recomendations or "whisky spots" you found? Did you visit Park Avenue Liquors?
...and the population could be down to 250 million if they start chucking out all the illegals!
Di Blasi wrote:If you're speaking of the Park Avenue special bottling of OMC Ardbeg 12y rum cask finish, yes it's excellent! Perhaps on your next visit you can pick up another of their special bottlings as I've heard they're usually all good. Sorry to hear about the customs officer, but not surprised. They certainly do have a warm and welcoming way to scare people!
Di Blasi, it was an old malt cask but I don't remember it being a rum finish, although it could have been. They were very entheusiastic about it in the shop. There's also a good shop quite nearby, but I don't know the area well enough to say for sure where it was. Might have been on Lexington Avenue.
Just a thought . I like visiting Rome and NY too, so please don't think I'm being huffy.
And I agree America is a big place
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