Choose the theme, and I can start hunting for a bottle of whatever need be. Obviously Canadian whisky is abundant here for me, and that would be really easy, Japanese on the other hand, not so much. But I think we can make it work, and it would be fun.
Also add 'undeclared' malts to that list.
Good point, and I do think this is something that needs to be discussed. But as you said, a poll doesn't really help here. We also want to make sure all other members feel welcome, and as far as I'm concerned the more that particpate, the better. This is a great way IMO to try and experiment with new whiskies, and it also groups tasting notes together for one particular whisky, or for a small group of whiskies (Kentucky, Lowland, Japanese etc).
I'm also all for purchasing a bottle, or taking turns buying a bottle here and there to be split amongst the group of people who'll be participating. Just not sure about how to go about that, and how to determine what's being tasted.
I'd say we start by following up with who's interested and go from there. Any thoughts anyone?
New members thoughts are welcome here, and don't hesitate to ask any of us questions, even if you think it's been asked before.
Willie JJ wrote:Another thing that we might consider is everyone buying a bottle and splitting it into samples for distribution so that we can all be tasting good variety and common drams.
I'm happy to do this as well, though there are a few issues that need addressing:
1. In my opinion the minimum sample size to allow for a decent tasting would be 50ml; there are fourteen 50ml measures in a 70cl bottle - I'd have a serious issue with sending that many samples out owing to postage costs and general logistics, particularly if overseas members are involved!
2. That sort of raises the next point: How would the 'bring a bottle' club be set up? The fairest way would be to allow any member to take part, but if we're splitting bottles into samples there has to be an upper limit placed on how many members take part. That means deciding on a sample size. For me, as stated 50ml is the bare minimum to allow for a decent evaluation, with 100ml being better but only permitting seven members to take part.
3. Do we set a price limit on bottles purchased specially for the tasting? Some members invariably earn more than others, and I for one would feel a little guilty at receiving a sample of an expensive whisky whilst sending out one of much lesser cost, even if quality is not an issue.
Another thing we could do from time to time is pool some money together to buy one expensive, hard-to-find bottle, then split that into samples. But then logistics comes back into it, and you have the added problems of unanimously deciding on a bottle and nominating someone willing to collect members' money, buy the bottle and sort the samples out.
I think that 1-2 weeks is good for a discussion period. As long as we give sufficient time for some of us to send out samples, especially to our friends on the other side of the pond when need be.
So who's in charge? A small group is a great idea, and I think we need to make sure we have at least one rep from here, and at least one from the UK involved. That will help on availability of product for everyone I think.
Good points Tross, and it's something that definitely needs to be worked out. I think it's a great idea, but it would be nice to iron out a few things first.
Ganga wrote:ryguy wrote:So who's in charge? A small group is a great idea, and I think we need to make sure we have at least one rep from here, and at least one from the UK involved. That will help on availability of product for everyone I think.
The sound of everyone stepping back.
If everyone is ok with it, I would volunteeer to help out. But I also agree with Ganga, it should definitely be a group of people (3-4 maybe?)
As far as trying scarce whiskies like Killyloch, Glen Flagler and Ben Wyvis, they all sound like good options to me. This will be easy for me to find things to try, as I've not tried nearly as many kinds as some of you others.
On that note, do any of these sound like good or bad options. They are all distillieries that I've barely heard of, let alone tried. Each were available to me last I checked through the SMWS. Miltonduff, Dufftown, Tamdhu, Dailuaine, Teaninich, Auchroisk, Glen Spey, Glenburgie.
lawschooldrunk wrote:I think the first stage is agreeing on the bottle of the month. the second stage should be who can find it the cheapest. third will be, either ship the sample containers to the bottle holder, or the bottle to the one that already has the sample holders; whichever is cheapest.
It's good to hear from you LSD, and you've made some good points. As far as sample containers, I use either 50ml minis, or 60ml Boston Rounds, whatever I have on hand at the time. It would be safe to say that's what would be used, as they are most readily available. Plus 50ml is a pretty good sample, it really gives you a chance to try it out.
Maybe I'm making an asumption thinking this is the easiest way, but I'm going to throw this out there. I thought the best way as far as splitting up the cost of a bottle would be to set an approx. $$ amount range for our monthly tasting bottle(s) and take turns within the group paying for it on a monthly basis. You buy this month, then I buy the next, so on and so forth. So if we have 8 people and we choose 2 bottles monthly, everyone will be buying one bottle every 4 months. Does this make any sense? It would save from exchanging money on a monthly basis between the people participating. I'm just trying to keep it as simple as possible. Thoughts / comments appreciated here.
lawschooldrunk wrote:I just don't want to see a civil war in the forums when someone says, hey why do you keep buying on the lower end of the price range when I continuously buy on the high end of the price range...
As to dealing with money every month as opposed to every four or 8 months (or whatever), I honestly think it's not so hard to mail a check or use paypal (although I don't have an account!). And i think this will keep the fights out if everyone shells out exactly the same amount.
don't get me wrong; I don't truly think you need to keep everything exactly equal. I believe in altruism and what goes around comes around, especially among friends. I just don't want to see fights going on around here.
Fights around here??? No, surely not, can't be. That doesn't happen does it? Ok I'm kidding.
On a serious note, I do agree with you here LSD, we need to find a happy medium to make it easy and also fair for everyone. At this point we are still in the discussion stage, so any other ideas would be helpful.
To simplify the logistics, perhaps we choose bottles that are available both here and in the US. Or to emphasise the importance of the whisky, we disregard the logistics and send whisky back and forth across the pond.
I guess we could decide on a tasting by tasting basis?
The members of the group(s) could vote on the bottles to be used for each tasting. As for the money side, the group(s) could decide amongst themselves, for each tasting, the bottles to be bought and add on the costs of (miniature bottles and) postage and packaging, and divide into equal shares. The value/price of bottles introduced from a member's own stock could be agreed amongst the members, if the members vote to use that bottle for the tasting.
I guess a rota should also be agreed so that each member takes a turn in buying the bottles, decanting and posting, to share the work.
16 yo Flora & Fauna
15 yo Cask Strength Berry Bros & Reid (measure bought at Grill pub Aberdeen)
1970 Gordon & Macphail (measure bought at Grill pub Aberdeen)
If you can offer something different, or just fancy a sample, please PM and let me know. I'm feeling generous - it's my birthday on Monday 11th. Slange.
Now all we need to figure out is who's interested and assign a board of directors, so to speak, to determine exactly what we are tasting and when.
TheTross wrote:Sounds good to me! I think I'd prefer Irish though, as I haven't tried nearly enough of them and this'd be a good reason to buy some
I can't name 3 Irish or 3 Japanese off the top of my head, so I obviously haven't tried enough of them either. I'm up for it either way.
Ganga, looking foward to hearing what you find out. I've looked locally already here, and it seems Bushmills and Jameson are the only 2 Irish available. Then there's always Binny's where they have tons of stock.
TheTross wrote:Ganga wrote:So, who would like to be part of the committee that makes final decisions of theme and date?
In the interest of getting this moving, I'll step forward for that.
Aye, same here. I'm ready and willing!
Black Bush (Bushmills)
Powers (Irish Distillers)
Jameson 12yo (Irish Distillers)
Jameson Gold (Irish Distillers)
(Single/Unblended) Pure Pot Still:
Greenspot (Irish Distillers)
Redbreast 12yo (Irish Distillers)
Redbreast 15yo ncf (Irish Distillers-a real gem this)
Connemara Cask Strength (Cooley Distillery)
Locke's 8yo (Cooley Distillery)
Tyrconnell 10yo Port/Sherry/Madeira Finish (Cooley Distillery)
Tyrconnell 15yo Single Cask
Bushmills 10yo (Bushmills)
If you could pick 2 bottles from each category you would have a fairly wide church. Ideally as much pure pot still as you can find too as it is unique to Irish whiskey. Cooley is a distillery that is criminally underexposed as well and their current finishes despite the current brouhaha on the practice are IMHO a masterclass on the process.
Beware however premiumisation in the Jameson family, their prices are really over the top at times, although American, British and European board users should be able to find everything at around 30%-50% less than in Ireland.
A couple of these I had on the list I started last night. Available to me from Binny's are the following, listed with price so that others can compare.
Redbreast Irish 12 Year Old Pot Still Irish Whiskey $45.99
Connemara 12 Year Old Peated Single Malt Irish Whiskey $93.99
Connemara Cask Strength Peated Single Malt Irish Whiskey $59.99
Connemara Peated Single Malt Irish Whiskey NAS? $39.99
Tyrconnel 12 Year Old Irish Whiskey $29.99
Greenore 8 Year Old Single Grain Irish Whiskey $49.99
I'm going to suggest 4 bottles, one from each group. Plus maybe even a couple others (not on this list). Any thoughts suggestions anyone?
Connemara Cask Strength @ $56.99
Redbreast 12yo @ $36.95
Connemara Cask Strength @ $50.00
It can really pay to shop around although I know in some states you can't get stuff shipped to you. I think it might be up to CA or NY member to grab the bargains and help out the others; if you want the more economical route.
For the record, I've tried:
So I have a long way to go! I'm not against trying any of these again though.
Ideally we could do with deciding on several expressions per category, preferably widely available on both sides of the pond, then put those in a poll to be whittled down to the ones we'll use for the tasting. Decisions on who buys what bottle can come after that.
But first things first: now we have a date and theme, we really need a list to see who's provisionally taking part in this before we do anything else, just to get a rough idea of numbers.
*I don't, of course, mean that bit.
Ganga wrote:It may also be time to start thinking about a special event for the late January-March time frame.
I agree Ganga, I think it is time to at least start discussing the next "Other Live Tasting", not to be confused with the Regular "Monthly Live Tastings". I figured I'd move the discussion over here to make it easier.
With some time we were all able to really make things happen with the Port Ellen tasting, and I think it worked out really well. Looking forward to the Irish too, this stuff is all new to me.
A couple past suggestions have been Bourbon or Japanese whiskies. What do you all think?
That applies to members within the US and also to our friends in the UK. As far as the UK goes, it would make more sense to send a package or two out, and have a couple people over there disperse them to the rest of the group.
Live tastings are great but don't fill the diary with them. Remember that I am also planning a few as we go along.
My next one will be late November / early December and will be called something like "Christmas Drams".
In fact, I'm putting up a poll for this to suggest dates & drams.
Willie JJ wrote:Oh goody another tasting.
I'm up for a bourbon tasting, although it will take time to gather samples. Who knew there are so many bourbons. I've never heard of quite a few of these, for example, Rock Hill Famrs and WL Wellser
Anybody else on this side of the pond up for bourbon?
Anyone up for Bourbon? Other suggestions are very much welcome, if you have any ideas, please suggest them here.
I've only recently had a chance to try more bourbons and they've all been good to very good IMO. I think a tasting like this would be quite interesting, plus I think it would help give more of an understanding when it comes to bourbon cask influence on single malt whisky.
Any other takers??
Ganga, Myself, WillieJJ & The Tross are just a few members of the Forum who have merely given their time to help see things through and to keep things going with the Other Tastings and also Monthly Tastings that are held here. Extra thanks to Ganga for keeping the Monthly Tastings polls going monthly.
I'd like to thank Whisky Magazine for allowing us to use the Forum for this reason, and I'd also like to thank everyone who has participated in the past with us, and I look forward to seeing some new faces around for future tastings.
Just like to add that most of these guys swap samples for nothing , usually everyone pays the postage to each other (does that make sense ?) , no charges for whisky . Your not forced to do this , if you've got the bottles that are of that months malt you can just use them . Most of these guys like to trade samples anyway !
It's good to see new people on these tastings , nice to see new impressions of expressions .
Like Ryan says the more the merrier !
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