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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby TreacleSponge » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:04 pm

Tonight I had Laphroaig with dark chocolates filled with a whole cherry & brandy, whilst in a monkey bath (one so hot you go "ooh, ooh, aah" when getting in). The heat, the refreshing peaty dram and the choc is a great match. I feel absolutely content.
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Postby vlodko » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:13 am

Muskrat Portage wrote:Well, I quite enjoyed the pairing of wild BC smoked salmon with Ardbeg Uigeadail at our tasting. (Wish I had the 'Livvy 18 and a French Oak 15 to try with chocco cake and blue Stilton respectively)
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I've been shying away from pairing my Caol Ila with the Alaskan Smoked Salmon that I have, mostly because I've been reading Martine Nouet's advice on not pairing smoked fish with a smokey Islay - but it sounds like maybe I should go for it anyway!

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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby Di Blasi » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:18 pm

lawschooldrunk wrote:experiment and take all advice with a grain of salt.

here's some salt..................


...don't forget the pepper!

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Postby Bulkington » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:44 pm

The other night I made fusilli with clams, butter, a dash of a young (7 yo) signatory laphroaig, and grated parmesan. Success!

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Postby martin grant » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:52 am

Oh man!
All this talk of seafood has my appetite bubbling over. Only an hour or so for lunch and I'm thinking I'm going to sort out some mussels in white wine and garlic, served up with crusty bread. Will have to pass up the whisky for just now, still a bit of work to do this afternoon

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Postby Deactivated Member » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:01 am

I am now into the serious and final planning stages of my next Gourmet evening which will be a great fest of flavours.

I have now finalised my whisky list and today I shall and discuss the menu with Camillo the chef.

The chosen whiskies are:
Linkwood 12y F&F
Aultmore 12y
Caol Ila 25y CS
Clynelish NC2
The Glenlivet 18y
Dallas Dhu 1978 23y

I will let you know later what we decide for a menu.
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Postby Di Blasi » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:49 pm

Another great gourmet evening I'll miss unfortunately! Lucky attendees, I'm sure they'll all love it!!

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Postby jazz lover » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:45 pm

Macallan 18 and Italian Cream Cake.
Take it slow and enjoy...

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Postby Deactivated Member » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:37 pm

I'm pleased to say that Camillo is working his magic once again. Here is what we came up with:

Aperitif: Linkwood 12y Flora & Fauna

First course:
Aultmore 12y served with Spinach Gnocci in a light herb sauce with Pine kernels and topped with a lightly smoked cheese

Second Course:
Caol Ila 25y served with salmon in a dry Martini sauce and African potato (Torpinambur)

Third course:
Clynelish NC2 served with Filet of beef and artichoke in a mustard sauce, accompanied by a selection of vegetables

Dessert:
The Glenlivet 18y served with a marinated selection of fruits in a vanilla sauce

After Dinner:
Dallas Dhu 1978 /23y served with coffee


Now this one already has my taste buds tingling, so if any of you are in Munich at the end of next week ..............

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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby vlodko » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:59 pm

MT - thanks so much for sharing this gold mine of information on whisky & food pairing! Thanks to you (and others) this thread is the best source I can find anywhere on the net! I've copied every suggestion made since the start of the thread (about 20 pages worth!), to use as reference for my own (much more humble) experiment in pairing whisky and food.

I'm glad to see you're back and going strong - I was worried that the thread had petered out. Glad to see it was only a hiatus!

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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:58 am

Thanks Vlodko,
I usually run my own Gourmet evenings through the Winter months, so you wouldn't get much input from me during the Summer.

I love these events, but unfortunately I have to make a decision today, as to whether I cancel this one through lack of interest :cry:

So many people have E-Mailed me asking me to run this, but now it's organised, they have almost all found themselves to be 'busy on that day'.
A couple have actually said that they think €60 to be too expensive, but just what do they want?
This is run as a first class event, the food is always superb and I know that Camillo makes no real money himself from these events, as the price I am charged per head for food is extremely good value.
Obviously, the rest of the charge goes to the cost of the whisky, but in all the events I have ever run here, the best I have done is to LOSE only €150 to €200.
This isn't as bad as it sounds, as there is always whisky left over which goes towards other tastings and overall, in the season, I usually break even or make a tiny profit.
But this is no way to run a business, I really need a minimum of 15 people at a Gourmet evening and this time around, I have three, plus myself and Sabine.

Methinks this event will be cancelled today.
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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby vlodko » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:41 pm

Sorry to hear that, MT.

My wife and I are putting together the menu for our much humbler evening, and went over your menus and pairings from this thread over the weekend. She found all of your posts interesting and informative, and is now putting together her own ideas based on what you've written. Many thanks!

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Postby Muskrat Portage » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:23 pm

Muskrat Portage wrote:Well, I quite enjoyed the pairing of wild BC smoked salmon with Ardbeg Uigeadail at our tasting. (Wish I had the 'Livvy 18 and a French Oak 15 to try with chocco cake and blue Stilton respectively)
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Okay, who snuck that little "Wish I had the 'Livvy 18 and a French Oak 15 to try with chocco cake and blue Stilton respectively" in 65 point into my posting? I intentionally change the size point away from the offered sizes of "Huge to Tiny" whenever I use them. Nice try fellows but tha' 'taint my posting.

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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby Muskrat Portage » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:30 pm

vlodko wrote:
Muskrat Portage wrote:Well, I quite enjoyed the pairing of wild BC smoked salmon with Ardbeg Uigeadail at our tasting. (Wish I had the 'Livvy 18 and a French Oak 15 to try with chocco cake and blue Stilton respectively)
:cry:
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I've been shying away from pairing my Caol Ila with the Alaskan Smoked Salmon that I have, mostly because I've been reading Martine Nouet's advice on not pairing smoked fish with a smokey Islay - but it sounds like maybe I should go for it anyway!

vlodko
Life is too short to not experiment from time to time. I tend to fly in the face of generally accepted norms simply for the experience. I was surprised myself at how well it went, although I had wanted to do a comparison like this for quite a while. One of the mebers of our tasting group brough the salmon and I provided the Ardbeg. We also had Imperial cold packed cheese at the tasting.
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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby Jimmy321 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:07 am

Plain dark chocolate with a sherry cask malt or coffee chocolate with a smoked malt :P

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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:38 am

Please experiment with chilli chocolate too !!!
You will find it works rather well with some of the richer malts.

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Postby woodhill » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:56 am

Ive just picked up some Lindt Excellence 99% Dark Chocolate!

Can't wait to try it with some Ardbeg!

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Postby Jimmy321 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:17 am

Malt-Teaser wrote:Please experiment with chilli chocolate too !!!
You will find it works rather well with some of the richer malts.


Chili chocolate i thought you were joking till i googled it!

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Postby Jimmy321 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:25 am

woodhill wrote:Ive just picked up some Lindt Excellence 99% Dark Chocolate!

Can't wait to try it with some Ardbeg!


If you are buying this from 'morrisons' check the sell by date.

The two morrisons it the Paisley area sell this stuff out of date. Seriously check the dates on the back of the bars, i have even been given a £5 shopping voucher for being sold bars 2 months out of date, till recently i only checked the dates on eggs, bread and stuff.

Even today there were bars on the shelf in Paisley dated 28/02/2008!

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Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:26 pm

Not joking at all, everyone sells it over here.
There is a superb range sold by Lindt; a range of fruit fillings with chilli which include Maracuja, orange, papaya and a few others.

There is also a private chocolatier about an hours drive away, towards an area where we often drive and they have an excellent version of their own.
Superb chocolate with tiny pieces of real chilli.

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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby Jimmy321 » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:09 am

I need to mention, Chorizo Iberico (chorizo sausage made from free range pigs eating acorns and stuff). With Lagavullin!.

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Postby Di Blasi » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:22 am

That sounds great, free range pigs! That's what I wish we had around here along with the sheep.

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Postby Muskrat Portage » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:10 am

Glenlivet 18! That's what Matt thought I should try with chocolate! As I sit and nibble on my Easter bunny. Now, did he send me a sample of that... (running down to Lair)... YES!
Glenlivet 18 yo
Colour: reddish gold
Nose: Windswept hay and wild prairie grasses with a hint of rich fruitcake.
Palate: Sherry with a hint of honey and barley
Bunny Chocolate: Adding the chocolate brings out a coffee flavour to the SM, a deep rich roast coffee.
Finish: Spicy and warming that also tingles the sides of the tongue with sweetness.
With bunny: Oh wow, it tastes like the chocolate oranges you get at Christmas time, then segues into the spiced rich coffee and finally disappates into a smoky chocolate, in the back of the throat, like Bakers semi sweet chocolate.

Single Malt tasting may never be the same for me, the chocolate imparts great depth to the whisky without masking, rather it enhances the flavours. Good call Matt!

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Postby Muskrat Portage » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:21 am

..and now, how about Ardbeg...

I just happen to have a few bottles of Ardbeg beside the computer, eenie meenie mynie Ugeadail!

Ardbeg Ugeadail
Colour: Deep gold
Nose: Redolent of smoke with grass and peat followed by honey notes
Palate: Lots of smoke which then evolves into a fiery spicy burst of flavour.
Add Easter Bunny: Again, there's a dark rich flavour , more like a fine dark Swiss chocolate but with smokey peat notes.
Finish: Long warming and very spicy, with a richness on the tip of the tongue that tingles.
With Bunny: The finish evolves into a complex variation with butter, chocolate and cocoa apearing in the mix. It's almost as if the component parts of the chocolate separate out on contact with the whisky.

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Postby Lawrence » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:03 pm

Musky, were these the bunnies?

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Postby Muskrat Portage » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:57 pm

Yes! They used to be identical twins but now they're whisky fodder.

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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby Jimmy321 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:03 am

Malt-Teaser wrote:Please experiment with chilli chocolate too !!!
You will find it works rather well with some of the richer malts.



I found the 'chilli chocolate' in Sainsbury's in the UK. Own label 'Taste the difference' range. Mexican dark 66% cocoa with premium dried chilli. Says the label

Think i will wait for the right mood for this, any suggestions what it will go with.

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Postby Jimmy321 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:14 am

And today on the way back from fishing Loch Awe, i got from the Loch Fyne shop (where they sell fish and stuff and not LFW). Smoked Carpaccio, it's beef cured then smoked over infused whisky chips, will report back when i get to taste it with some malts.

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Bulkington wrote:Question:

What might you all pair specifically with Lagavulin? I know there have been a lot of broad Islays-are-great-with-seafood comments, but I see Lagavulin as something of an exception. I would love to try Ardbeg with salmon, esp. salmon sushi, and I imagine Laphroaig and Caol Isla going well with oysters, but can't imagine Lagavulin with either of these. Wouldn't it be overpowering rather than complimentary? The same goes with dessert pairings. Some scotches are best left solo maybe?


Mr Ellen wrote:This may sound a bit strange but Lagavulin and a good chunk of Roquefort cheese is a truly outstanding combination.


I agree with Mr Ellen about pairing Lagavulin with Roquefort. I prefer Le Vieux Berger among other kinds.

Another thing I like to pair with Lagavulin is original beef jerky.

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WaterRabbit wrote:I agree with Mr Ellen about pairing Lagavulin with Roquefort. I prefer Le Vieux Berger among other kinds.
Another thing I like to pair with Lagavulin is original beef jerky.


If you are into blue cheese and Lag, I suggest you try Fourme d'Ambert, also from France, but a little creamier (cow's milk, not sheep's), and not as acidic as Roquefort can be. If you have a Whole Foods in your neck of the woods, they will have it. Central Market does too.
Another experiment that I enjoyed with the Lag 16 was an aged Parmesan. Very different from the Roquefort pairing, but works very well too.
I will definitely try the beef jerky -- sounds interesting.

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Postby Di Blasi » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:01 am

Golden raisins, Sultanas, soaked in Famous Grouse 12y blended malt, yum. Serve them with cheese plates, use them in plain yogurt, or in a million other ways, in salads, pasta, whatever, over ice cream!

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Postby les taylor » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:12 am

Jimmy321 wrote:
Malt-Teaser wrote:Please experiment with chilli chocolate too !!!
You will find it works rather well with some of the richer malts.



I found the 'chilli chocolate' in Sainsbury's in the UK. Own label 'Taste the difference' range. Mexican dark 66% cocoa with premium dried chilli. Says the label

Think i will wait for the right mood for this, any suggestions what it will go with.



Jimmy try it with Talisker. Or a sherried Malt. I like to let the chocolate melt on my tongue and then sip the whisky over the top. Fab man. :)

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Postby Deactivated Member » Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:24 am

I posted elsewhere at my disappointment with my recent purchase of Aultmore 12y, it left me short and looking for something else in the flavours.

Well, I have found the answer :)
Ritter Sport "Alpenmilch"
This is milk chocolate from Alpine herds - the wrapper colour is light blue but I don't know if this one is available outside of Germany?

Anyway, eat the chocolate then drink some Aultmore.
Not at the same time, but drink the Aultmore without clearing your palate from the chocolate.
Excellent!!!

I also tried it with a darker choclate, but it wasn't quite as good.

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Re: Whisky and Food combinations

Postby JohnyyGuitar » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:21 am

Don't eat and drink scotch. You wanna' eat and drink - pour yourself a glass of wine - when you're done - pull out the scotch.
Here's some more advice - don't drink paint thinner either while you eat. :shock:

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Postby Di Blasi » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:09 pm

JohnyyGuitar wrote:Don't eat and drink scotch. You wanna' eat and drink - pour yourself a glass of wine - when you're done - pull out the scotch.
Here's some more advice - don't drink paint thinner either while you eat. :shock:


Have you tried whisky with food before??


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