October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:26 pm

Ganga wrote:
I thought it would be better to focus this into a thread indicating more than a discussion of "Other Tastings". This is now the October 4, Irish Whisky thread.

I'm not sure that we need to poll but rather discuss what we should have. Willie, US hasn't gotten Cadenhead bottlings in about 7 or 8 years. However, we have a MMcD Cooley.

I like the idea of getting something that represents blends, singles, pps and grains. We need to discuss this and also we need to get word out to others that have expressed interest in these other types of tastings.


I also like the idea of trying something that represents the 4 categories. Single Malts, Grains, Pure Pot Stills and Blends as well. And if we can throw an IB in the mix that would be good too. As far as I'm concerned 5 different samples would be great.

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby TheTross » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:17 pm

Willie JJ wrote:Also does this mean we limit the thing to 5 on each side?

I think we need to have a plan.


This would be my main concern. If you have a lot of members taking part the whole thing could end up being rather chaotic and unworkable. Also bear in mind that the sample size we choose automatically limits the number able to take part, unless some members already have expression(s) available or multiple bottles of each are bought and split - but then it ends up being unnecessarily expensive.

So I think we do need to choose an arbitrary number just for simplicity. What that is eventually based on I don't know, but as I said in a post on the Other Tastings thread, a generally-accepted sample size of 50ml equals a max of 14 samples from 70cl bottles (15 from 75cl bottles), so maybe a max of 14 taking part in a bottle split, with other members able to join in if they already have that bottling available.

That said, if people want to reserve part of a bottle for themselves then the number of samples you get from it obviously decreases.

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby TheTross » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:50 pm

7 sounds good to me Willie. More manageable than 14 at any rate!

So is this to be done on a first-come, first-served basis then? If so, anyone wanting to take part that hasn't already said had better act soon :D

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:56 pm

Ganga, I have some 100ml bottles (4) that'll help out with this. I'll work on getting them empty real soon. We'll work it out after we figure out what we're tasting.

I'd like to nominate a Redbreast, Connenara and a Greenore (or any other single grain, if there is one). As for the blend, and IB, whatever is available. But like I said, I'm very flexible, I haven't tried any of these, so if anyone would rather try something else, it's ok with me.

I agree with Willie, 7 people on each side would be an ideal number to me, everyone gets approx 100ml each. If its less, ok with me, if its more, also ok with me. :D

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:51 pm

Just saw this guys .... excellent :thumbsup:

You would have to make sure that what you want to taste is available on both sides too. We maybe could organise one special bottle at 50ml per person. Anything more gets too messy ....

Okay what I would suggest is to make a pick from the following

Bushmills

Blackbush (Excellent blend over 70% malt)
Bushmills 10yo (Single Malt) light
Bushmills 16yo (Single Malt) named the best Irish malt numerous times but can't see it my self :o
Knappogue Castle 1995 (Seems to have a decent cult following)

I could organise a 13yo 1989 Single (bourbon) Cask @ 56.5% 70Euro for the bottle

Midleton

Jameson Nas (Boring baseline whiskey from the Jameson range)
Jameson 12yo (PPS based blend with sherry influence)
Jameson Gold
Powers Gold Label (Best bog standard Blend and purely a Bourbon barrel blend)
Powers Gold Label 12yo (As above but better :wink: )
Redbreast 12yo (PPS) seems to be the only pps available in most places

I could organise a Greenspot 39Euro a bottle
Jameson 18yo (managed to get one for 85Euro in Germany even though it is 125 here :o )


Cooley

Connemara NAS (Peated Single Malt)
Greenore 8yo (Grain) (The 15yo is much better but whether it is available or not I'm not sure and too expensive imo.
Locke's 8yo (Lightly Peated Single Malt) pleasent
Tyrconnell NAS (Single MAlt) getting better every year as the stock matures

I could organise Tyrconnell 10yo Maderia, Port or Sherry Finish 46% 65-75Euro each
First Spirits Single Cask ( Peated Cooley) 46% 50Euro (IB for french market)

Anything more exotic and we are talking over 100Euro (e.g. Midleton is 150Euro in Ireland and in my opinion not worth it.)


All Whiskies 40% unless otherwise stated

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:01 pm

Thanks for the info IWC, good to have you on board!! :D :D :D

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:44 pm

Collector57 wrote:My only concern is one we discussed elsewhere - appearing to set up an "elite" group if we limit to 7.
This is where the difficulty lies isn't it? If we knew how many wanted to be in each tasting in plenty of time we could choose whether to get one bottle or two and how big to make the sample.

If we don't, we need to make a judgement call.
Personally I'll happily go either way - but what when more people want to join in?



Good point Nick ... we don't want to exclude anybodye.

Some people like myself will have bottles open anyway so I can step aside anyway in the samples line up department.

Still up for organising an uncommon bottle or could even do it as a mystery malt. I have no sample bottles though and cannot seem to get them where I am :(

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:28 pm

I agree with what's been said above, and I do want others to feel welcome. But based on the general number of people participating in the Monthly Live Tastings, we are only missing a few. It's also very possible that we'll get more or less interest each time, based on what we are tasting.

So I say we go with it, select the bottles to be tasted Oct 4th, work it out between us (in 2 groups US/UK), and if more people show interest and want to join in before hand, we figure it out when the time comes.

So who's selecting bottles? I mentioned a couple above, as did IWC, any thoughts.

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby cathach » Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:38 pm

Just to let the EU group know that I'd be happy to contribute to a tasting if we can sort numbers out and sample bottles.

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Aidan » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:08 pm

I'd love to join you, but I think I'm on Islay on October 4. If you need any help with sourcing bottles, let me know.

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby cathach » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:43 am

Willie JJ wrote:I would suggest that there is little merit in me offering opinions on what we should buy since I know so little about Irish whiskey. What about IWC and Cathach coming up with their top 7 and then the US folk can check for availability?

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I think the list I had in the other thread or what IWC has would be a good entry to irish whiskey. Two from each category maybe? As well as a single grain?

I could contribute a Greenore 8/Greenspot/Redbreast 12/Knappogue 1994 (10yo Bushmills Boubon Cask non-coloured) to the EU tasting anyway.
James 12/Black Bush/Powers/Tyrconnel/Connemara would be cheaper in the UK/EU/USA

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby IainB » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:03 am

Bizarrely on October 4th I know of at least one Irish forum member who will be somewhere between Islay and Glasgow making his way back from a 4 day Arran / Campbelltown / Islay distillery and drinking trip, and therefore would not be able to participate in such an event. (That's me by the way).

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:42 pm

Dooohhh???? :headbang:

Just realised that that week-end is our Wedding Anniversary ..... I don't think Mrs Chaser will be too impressed if I don't take her away for the week-end so I'll have to rule myself out.

Sorry guys .... still if ye are looking for anything special or hard to get let me know.

Cheers

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P.S. Iain ... your a glutton for punishment second year in a row on the Islay trip ... have fun and enjoy :thumbsup:

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby IainB » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:44 pm

irishwhiskeychaser wrote:Dooohhh???? :headbang:

Just realised that that week-end is our Wedding Anniversary ..... I don't think Mrs Chaser will be too impressed if I don't take her away for the week-end so I'll have to rule myself out.

Sorry guys .... still if ye are looking for anything special or hard to get let me know.

Cheers

Adrian

P.S. Iain ... your a glutton for punishment second year in a row on the Islay trip ... have fun and enjoy :thumbsup:


Why not take her to Islay??

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby TheTross » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:52 pm

I'm in the same boat as Willie et al regarding knowledge - or lack, thereof - of Irish whiskeys. If those more in the know can be pretty much unanimous in deciding on a bottling or two in each category - Pure Pot Still, Blend, Grain and Single Malt - then we can get the list finalised and move onto who'll be buying what.

I will say though that personally I'd like to try a Redbreast or two, any Powers (just because of the reputation it has) and Knappogue Castle, but there's more than one vintage (1994 and 1995 available at TWE) - a chance to compare vintages, perhaps?

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:59 pm

IainB wrote:
Why not take her to Islay??


I asked her to come last year and she laughed at me as if I was a crazy man :o


She is softening to the idea of a half and half holiday/whisky jaunt to Scotland ... so I can't rush it :(

Taking your dad with you this time Iain?

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:50 pm

Ganga wrote:I keep trying to get my wife to go to Scotland. :D Laughing hysterically would be an improvement. :oops:


I've already convinced mine to come with me to Scotland. Now it's just finding the time and the money. I'm hoping to make the trip for our 10th Anniversary.

Once I reminded her that they have castles in Scotland, and we could also spend the night in one....that's all it took. Then I told her about this really cool island that we'd be visiting..........
:D :D :D

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby UUNetBill » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:33 am

ryguy wrote:
Ganga wrote:I keep trying to get my wife to go to Scotland. :D Laughing hysterically would be an improvement. :oops:


I've already convinced mine to come with me to Scotland. Now it's just finding the time and the money. I'm hoping to make the trip for our 10th Anniversary.

Once I reminded her that they have castles in Scotland, and we could also spend the night in one....that's all it took. Then I told her about this really cool island that we'd be visiting..........
:D :D :D

Same situation here - the wife is keyed to go, we'd be taking the in-laws, who, strangely, I get along with - and the FIL is a single malt man. :thumbsup:

So Scotland is a definite destination, but have to find the time and money. . .probably a few year off yet. . . :(

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:47 pm

Ganga wrote:When's #10, ryguy? Maybe we can key you in and make a group gathering...at least for the whisky portion. :thumbsup:


2013 for us Ganga. And a group gathering is definitely a great idea. :D :D

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby cathach » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:46 pm

TheTross wrote:I'm in the same boat as Willie et al regarding knowledge - or lack, thereof - of Irish whiskeys. If those more in the know can be pretty much unanimous in deciding on a bottling or two in each category - Pure Pot Still, Blend, Grain and Single Malt - then we can get the list finalised and move onto who'll be buying what.

I will say though that personally I'd like to try a Redbreast or two, any Powers (just because of the reputation it has) and Knappogue Castle, but there's more than one vintage (1994 and 1995 available at TWE) - a chance to compare vintages, perhaps?



Well it all depends on how many bottles ye'd like to get.

Pure Pot Still:
Greenspot
Redbreast 12yo
Redbreast 15yo

Each of the above is a great whiskey. Trouble is only the 1st two are available in the U.S. and the RB 15 is becoming very scarce in the E.U.

Single Grain:
Greenore 8yo
Greenore 15yo
Milroy's of Soho 16yo Cooley Single Grain.

The first is available widely but the second is not and won't be in the U.S. until November or so I'm told. The third is only in the U.K.

Single Malt:
Bushmills 10yo
Bushmills 16yo
Bushmills 21yo
Connemara
Connemara Cask Strength
Connemara 12yo
Lockes' 8yo
Tyrconnell
Tryconnell 10yo Port/Sherry/Madeira Finish
Tyrconnell 15yo Single Cask

Most of the above are available in U.S./U.K. but the price on some of them esp. the Bushmills is a killer.

Blends:
Black Bush
Bushmills 1608
Jameson
Jameson 12yo
Jameson Gold
Jameson 18yo
Jameson Rarest Vintage Reserve
Kilbeggan
Lockes
Paddy
Powers
Powers 12yo

And these are just the OBs!!!

I made some suggestions earlier, but perhaps if someone put up a poll (IWC/WillieJJ???) and we might pick and get around to sorting bottles out
Ideally the poll would exclude expressions not available in either of the 2 regions

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:28 pm

Ganga wrote:I will be doing some checking around the Southland this weekend. I am checking for some of the availability of various whiskies and miniatures. So far, it looks like I can get minis of the regular Bushmill and Jameson. I think I can get miniatures of Tyrconnell. There is some potential for a Bushmills BB and 10 yo - I've seen these in the past.

I would suggest the RB 12 for the PPS. It seems to be the one most readily available.


Good work Ganga! Thanks! Also I figure if we can get 1 or 2 bottles the same as what the UK folk are dramming, we're doing well. Keep us posted on what you find. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby lohssanami » Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:57 am

I think I'd be interested in trying this sampling/tasting if there's an opening. Let me know Ganga!

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:03 pm

We could push the date as far as I'm concerned into early November. If in fact more people would become involved, I say it's worth doing. What do the rest of you think?

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby TheTross » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:08 pm

We can push this back for me. I see little logic in having an Irish whiskey tasting if most of our Irish friends that are interested aren't able to take part! Also, there are only four members in the European group so far, so pushing the date back might allow a few more additions.

However, the first weekend in November (1-2) may be an issue as it's the one preceeding Bonfire Night (the 5th, which is a Wednesday this year), so some of the UK folk may not be available, myself included. Saying that, the second weekend (8-9) may be taken up with Bonfire events too; I can't yet guarantee which weekend many will use, again including myself. Taking both of those into account may push the tasting back even further towards the end of November.

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:43 pm

I also checked on the Redbreast, I can get it here for $41 (I'm asuming it's the 12yo). This is the bottle I'll be purchasing, so if availability is low there Willie, let me know. I could send a bulk shipment of samples to you for distribution.

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:21 pm

Ganga wrote:Ok, now that the weekend of 10/3-4 is open anyone game for maybe a PE tasting? :D


I had my own little sit down with Port Ellen the other night, but because it was so dram good, I'm up for another! I might even have time to purchase a new bottle. :D :D :D

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Wave » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:07 pm

The Bushmills, Jameson's and the Tyrconnell are also no problem here. What is available in my little neck of the woods (Friar Tucks) are,
Bushmills NAS, Black Bush, 1608, 10yo, 16yo and 21yo
Connemera NAS
Clontarf NAS and Black Label
Feckin
Jameson NAS, 12yo and 18yo
Kilbeggan
Knappogue Castle 1994
Merrys Special Reserve
Michael Collins Blend and Single Malt
Midleton
Tullamore Dew
Tyrconnell

Alas no Redbreast or Greenore :(
Are any of the above a good replacement for these two?

Cheers!

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Re: October 4, Irish Whisky Tasting

Postby Ryguy » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:13 pm

Wave wrote:The Bushmills, Jameson's and the Tyrconnell are also no problem here. What is available in my little neck of the woods (Friar Tucks) are,
Bushmills NAS, Black Bush, 1608, 10yo, 16yo and 21yo
Connemera NAS
Clontarf NAS and Black Label
Feckin
Jameson NAS, 12yo and 18yo
Kilbeggan
Knappogue Castle 1994
Merrys Special Reserve
Michael Collins Blend and Single Malt
Midleton
Tullamore Dew
Tyrconnell

Alas no Redbreast or Greenore :(
Are any of the above a good replacement for these two?

Cheers!


Wave, no need to purchase a full bottle. After all what am I going to do with all the extra Redbreast after the tasting is over? I'll get you out a sample once I have the bottle. :iwbrnt:


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