The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

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The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:45 pm

Welcome to The Glenlivet Live Forum Tasting Part 2.

The Whiskies

  • The Glenlivet 12 Years Old
  • The Glenlivet 15 Years Old French Oak Reserve
  • The Glenlivet 18 Years Old
  • The Glenlivet Nadurra

Date and Time

  • Friday 23rd November 6:00pm GMT

Special guest
Ian Logan - The Glenlivet International Brand Ambassador

For those of you who do not know what these are about they run for generally 12+ hours and we all sit down (at various times) to taste a range of whiskies and share our notes and comments on the forum.

They are a great way to meet people on the forum, chat about your experiences and learn something new about the whiskies you have, and we all end up having a good time.

You can follow the tastings on this page or click this link to open our live tastings page.

Please feel free to join in and post any comments or tasting notes you have.

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Start time - 6:00pm GMT

Matt2

Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:06 pm

Good evening (morning/afternoon) ladies and gents. The bar is open for your tastings. :thumbsup:

I know some samples have been delivered and some not, and I think a few of you will be in for the later sessions. Musky, yours are on their way and should be with you in the next few hours, lawschool all ready?, DiB. got them?

Tonight I will be mainly drinking (oooops, sampling) the 18 and Nadurra.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:08 pm

Ian, two questions for you straight off.

1. What is the supply of the 25 like in the US and can you recommend a retailer?
2. Can you send MT some promotional material for the bar?

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:21 pm

Matt,

I have been in contact with MT already with some suggestions and ideas for the future.
With regard to the Glenlivet XXV it will be launched in the domestic US market in early 08

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:22 pm

Glenlivet 18

The Glenlivet
18 Year Old
Sweet, stewed fruits, apples, pears, alternating between sherry and bourbony
Smooth and creamy, nice sweet sherry notes with all the fruity bits you would expect from Glenlivet. Some oak and wood in the background. As Ian says, perfect balance. A bit of sherbert.
Mellows gently, with all the notes coming back in waves before ending with a slight woody notes.
If the 12 and 15 are before dinner, then this is for after dinner. Works well with a chocolate cheesecake. Coffee brings out the sweet notes and a real sherry character.
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90

18 Years Old
0
40%
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Single Malt
Speyside
A few drops
None
Glencairn
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During last weeks session I kind of skipped over the 18 a bit, but now coming back to it I am starting to 'get it'....

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:27 pm

Ian, any snippets of info you can give about the 18, cask types and availability world wide...

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:34 pm

Lawschool, glad you got your 'perfume samples' :D
Look forward to your comments later when the kids have gone off to bed. If you haven't had the Nadurra before I think you will be impressed.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:39 pm

Folks,

Sorry I am not being rude, just having a problem or two with my posts at the moment.
The 18yo is probaly our most successful medal winner of the past 3/4 years even winning the trophy for the best malt at the 2006 ISC.
The majority is still matured in european oak with an increased amount in good quality butts which really help with the spice and toffee on the nose. It is also an influence on the maltyiness, bitter oranges and chocolate on the palate.
The 18yo is my personal favourite and also of retired Master Distiller Jim Cryle.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:49 pm

Thanks Ian, seems to be working.....
I don't get the chocolate straight away, but I see what you mean about bitter oranges.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:13 pm

Ganga,

Not sure of the history of the Trader Joe 15 but interested in what differences you come across in the other two

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:15 pm

The Glenlivet 16 Nadurra Batch 1007D

The Glenlivet
Nadurra
Sweet aromatics, candy floss, sweets, pear drops, fizzy stuff, nice florals, but the sweeties really come through
Quite big and bold, but clean, fruity but with lots of the candy floss and pear drops.
Becomes quite dry after all that
I cant get past all the notes above, but eventually a nice malt and oak note comes through. Very nice, big and bold flavours
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86

16 Years Old
0
0%
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Single Malt
Speyside
Down to 40ish
None
Glencairn
Batch 1007D

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:thumbsup: :angel:

Better than putting it all in one glass Ganga :wink:

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:20 pm

Ganga,

Ita after 11am where you are, if it was Scotland the bars would be open :D

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:23 pm

A perfect breakfast dram, maybe with a bit of toast and honey. :)

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:24 pm

Matt,

It so hard to pick out all the fruits with Nadurra but for me its apples and banana on the nose.Water makes it a little biscuity and citrus.
For the palatemouth coating, fizzy, vanilla.
Its a Glenlivet for the conniseur, all first fill american wood. Adds another layer above and beyond the 12yo.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:29 pm

Ganga,

There are a few whisky companies/based around Broxburn so its hard to know too much about this one.
Broxburn is in the central belt of Scotland between Glasgow and Edinburgh where most bottling sites are. Easier for transport and shipping etc.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:33 pm

Ian Logan wrote:Matt,
It so hard to pick out all the fruits with Nadurra but for me its apples and banana on the nose.Water makes it a little biscuity and citrus. For the palatemouth coating, fizzy, vanilla. Its a Glenlivet for the conniseur, all first fill american wood. Adds another layer above and beyond the 12yo.


There is a lot going on, I get the picture of teenagers in a 60's american dinner, banana splits, ice cream sodas, bright colours and happy music. But the finish is dry and oaky (in a good way).

Ganga, you getting the pears as well, something I always get from Glenlivets.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:36 pm

It reads as if the glass is helping to intensify the flavours far more....interesting.
Trying to get my head round the charred oak by finding something to relate it to. I have a charred stave from a bourbon barrel downstairs, I guess I should go get it.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:40 pm

Ganga,

I am only guessing but Duncan Taylor are 200 miles north from there. I would be more inclined more perhaps towards Ian McLeod & sons. There are also many wine companies in Edinburgh who could be bottling it also.
Would love to know more if you come across anything.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:41 pm

Back to a little 12.... Ganga, do you get any bready, baking bread notes, maybe thats just another name for the malty notes you mention. Almost bread dough (even a hint of new make spirit?)

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:49 pm

Now I'm thinking about the new make... Ian - how consistant is the spirit in terms of flavours etc, if you had a random sample from the last 5 years would there be changes in it? Just feels that there is a real distinctive profile from them all, but each has acquired their own style from the wood.

Are there different stills / processes for the different expressions?

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:49 pm

the citrus/pineapple that for me comes through in the 12yo can reming people of the sharpness of new make.
Malty most certainly, honey and vailla are also in there.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:54 pm

Matt,

The new make is tested by a panel from production, labs and blending while at distilling strength and also at filling strength to ensure consistency of product.
A vatting of Glenlivet is a large number of casks together that would come from a selection of ages also so very unlikely that one distillation would have a particular influence. production levels at the moment are just under 6 million lts a year.
There are no changes to the process for any ages, all four sets of still are identical. Very tall in style meaning a light fruity spirit coming over the neck to condense.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:06 pm

Interesting, the science of stills is something I want to learn more about. So basically the same to start with and then mature it into a distinct family of expressions. A new make sample would be nice, see what it all starts from.

Lets try this different glass thing, I always use Glencairn because thats what I have.

15 in a Glencairn, big nose, lots going on, sweet and tasty
15 in a tumbler, nothing on the nose, lost in all that air?
Palate and finish remain the same I think, but you do loose all that nosing experience with a tumbler, which to me is half the enjoyment. (And yes friends always give me a funny look as I try and nose everything from wine to a pint of stella, coffee to a can of coke :oops: )

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:10 pm

For me the stills are always going to be the 2nd most important influence on flavour. As I said last time wood will always be the guiding factor and the way you manage that will dicate most of your flavour.
Many things will influence your final dram but for me thses are the two big ones.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:22 pm

Mikey,

Yes for specific distilleries that would be true. But for us at Chivas Bros. all the single malt we produce is unpeated. That doesn't mean it contains no phenols as you will always get them occuring naturally in the barley but would be below 1ppm.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:37 pm

Sorry boys, but its tough when we dont have it to taste :D but back on common ground now.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Matt2 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:37 pm

Ganga wrote:You know that your over the edge when you start nosing your water.

But it did win me a £10 bet, tap water Vs bottled Highland Spring. Friend didn't really know about water and said its just water and no one could tell the difference. Mind you water around here is pretty bad. But let it stand for 24 hours and it gets much better.

Mikey - No pears! Marzipan or sweet almonds is something I have got before... funny how sometimes I just can't get certain notes - smokers palate maybe.

Interesting about the stills vs wood. I remember watching on Singlemalt.tv a bit about Glengoyne and they buy in some expensive and special grain to mix in (Golden something..), they say it is essential to their flavour.

Got to leave for a while, doing an informal just for fun cocktail demo at a local bar. Mint Juleps and Golden Glows, will hand over a few Glenlivet samples to the barman to show what their customers are missing. Be back later to see how it is all going. Keep it up guys, more are on the way....

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:41 pm

This one is creamier and spicier than the 12 for me.Look for cedarwood, fudge, vanilla and fruit on the nose.
For the palate rounder, oak, nutty dark chocolate and a delicate spicy/fizzy note on the back of the tongue as you swallow.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Danny » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:14 pm

Joining late, but just 14:00 in Calgary.

Tasting with a Balvenie sherry style glass. 1/2 oz as I have to go out later this evening.

I will start with the 12 year.
Colour: Golden ripe grain, fall barley
Nose: Cereal malt, pears, honey, vanilla, after a drop of water the maltiness turns to fresh bread and the pear and fruits intensify
Palate: Opens on a bit of honey, get lots of canned stone fruit sweetness, reminds me of my Mothers home canned peaches, pears and apricots, bit of space and some vanilla, water again really opens up the fruits, can even taste some pineapple now
Finish: Soft, starts with just a bit of spice, then turns to all things nice. Honey and fruits.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:23 pm

I'm still around guys...... just comparing notes from the different styles of glaases used against what I have in my notes.
The Glenlivet style is coming through exactly as I would have hoped but the intensity of some of the glassware has surprised, a worthwhile lesson.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Danny » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:33 pm

15 Year French Oak Reserve, same glass, rinsed out.

Colour: Darker than the 12, more amber
Nose: Lemons, vanilla, some toffee, water adds to the citrus lessons the vanilla notes
Palate: Vanila, tropical fruits, hints of oak, spice and chocolat- water brings out pineapple and bananas, more vanilla-
Finish: Umm! Soft and nice, hints of fruit cake spices, citrus sweetness and some vanilla nuttiness
Comments: I really nice dram, why have I nevr ried it before :(

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:37 pm

Danny,

So many people just see the 12yo and dismiss The Glenlivet which to me is a mistake. One of the best things is as the whisky becomes older we change the types of wood we use for maturation ( basically the older ones have more european oak) and this offers a spectrum of flavours lacking in mamy other distilleries. We offer fro 12yo to over 40yo whiskies, there is life beyond the 12 as you are hopefully discovering tonight.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:38 pm

Ganga,

I am curious, what do you mean by a different experience?

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Danny » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:42 pm

Thanks, for the welcome guys.

Sorry for the spelling mistakes :oops: on the last post, I was just so excited :D

Ganga, I am sure interested in all the differences you are finding between glass types. I might have to get one of my Glencairns out.

Well on to the 18.

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Re: The Glenlivet Tasting - 23rd Nov 2007 - Part 2

Postby Danny » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:49 pm

Ian Logan wrote:Danny,

So many people just see the 12yo and dismiss The Glenlivet which to me is a mistake. One of the best things is as the whisky becomes older we change the types of wood we use for maturation ( basically the older ones have more european oak) and this offers a spectrum of flavours lacking in mamy other distilleries. We offer fro 12yo to over 40yo whiskies, there is life beyond the 12 as you are hopefully discovering tonight.


Ian, thanks for the note. I have drank lots of 12 and 18, but for some reason have not tried any of the Oak Finishes before. Love the 18 and must say I am impressed by the 15 year French Oak Reserve.

Will have to move onto some of the older expressions now.


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