The Glenlivet Tasting - 16th Nov 2007 - Part 1

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby TreacleSponge » Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:56 pm

Matt yes - a pink ribbon, and twinkly-sparkling labels :P

Ian - why is there such a strong reference to George & JG Smith on the label? There's all the text on my 12yo, and on the G&M bottling it's as prominent as the distillery name.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Muskrat Portage » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:01 pm

Matt Page wrote:
Ian Logan wrote:old church pews also though please dont lick them to see

... Kind of musky (and no I haven't licked Musky either :wink: )
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Believe when I say we're both relieved about that! :D Also, as a St. Johns' Ambulance instructor, if anyone tries, I do know how to make them wish they hadn't!
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..and now it's my turn to go make supper. Ta ta for now. It's been fun, as always!
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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:05 pm

TS,

Goeorge and JG Smith was the limited company set up by George Smith(the founder of Glenlivet) and John Gordon, his son, the the late 19th century. I can find the exact year if you want it.
The important thing is that distillery bottlings will carry the name "The Glenlivet", no-one else can use this as it is protected in law. Companies such as Gordon and McPhail call all their Glenlivets as "Smiths Glenlivet"

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Mr Fjeld » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:08 pm

How do the owners of The Glenlivet feel about selling whisky to the independant bottlers?

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby TreacleSponge » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:14 pm

Ian Logan wrote:TS,

Goeorge and JG Smith was the limited company set up by George Smith(the founder of Glenlivet) and John Gordon, his son, the the late 19th century. I can find the exact year if you want it.
The important thing is that distillery bottlings will carry the name "The Glenlivet", no-one else can use this as it is protected in law. Companies such as Gordon and McPhail call all their Glenlivets as "Smiths Glenlivet"


Yes, my bottle says "George & J.G.Smith's 15 years old Glenlivet whisky". So is the company still in the Smith name, or is it just kept on the labels for historical reasons?

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:17 pm

TS,

The Smith name is there for purely historical reasons. The last member of the family to be imvolved with the business was Captain Bill Smith Grant who died in the mid-70's.
The distillery is owned by Chivas Brothers, the scotch whisky producing division of Groupe Pernod Ricard.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Mr Fjeld » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:18 pm

I've really enjoyed this tasting - as usual! Dalziel & Pascoe on the telly so I'll say thanks and goodbye for now. I enjoyed the company of you all!

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:20 pm

Christian,

Since we bought Chivas Bros. in 2001 global sales of The Glenlivet have increased by over 50% so we must protect our stock as much as possible. The distillery is working 24/7 at the moment as sales and forecasts show steady increase.
Virtually all of the stock with independents was purchased before our takeover in 2001, though if an independent wants casks filled and will pay a price we are happy with of course it will be considered.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:24 pm

Folks,

I'm off to grab some food and stretch my legs, will be back soon


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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby TreacleSponge » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:25 pm

I'm away now, too.

Oh, and Mr.TreacleSponge has informed me that the thing in the middle of WagonWheels was marshmallow. So I guess the Wagon-Wheels-without-chocolate flavour I get from the 15yo is actually biscuit and marshmallow.

It's been both educational and fun - thanks all :)

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:44 pm

Hi Guys sorry not to be with you for the second half of the tasting. Our central heating has just packed up. Its -2 outside. So I then used my wifes computer and lost my password anyway I'm back now. It looked like fun.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:49 pm

Also it has to be said a big thanks to Ian for his time and input into the tastings.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:10 pm

refreshed and ready to go again

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:14 pm

Hi Ian i've unfortunately missed a bit of the evenings proceedings what do you reccomend?

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:16 pm

Les,

If you have some 18yo, pour that, the bourbon/sherry balance is spot on for me

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:19 pm

Hi Ian yep I have a new 18 I'll open it now mrs les will have a dram with us as well. Back soon.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:20 pm

just looking at some notes I have here for 18yo and it says toffee, oak, summer fruit, beeswax, and mint on the nose with the palate being malty, spicy, fizzy and bitter oranges

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:23 pm

Mikeymad,

Might be struggle but if I am nor around please feel free to PM me any questions you have.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:27 pm

ok ian i'm back what should i look for on the nose?

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:30 pm

Les,

Now you start to see a serious sherry influence in the whsky, the classic Xmas cake but also some gentle oak, toffee and still the classic Glenlivet fruitiness, ripe pears

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:31 pm

just seen your notes below. wow it has everything you said. it's amazing the difference between the 12 and the 18. is that just by more time in the barrel or different barrels used?

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:32 pm

Ian Logan wrote:Les,

Now you start to see a serious sherry influence in the whsky, the classic Xmas cake but also some gentle oak, toffee and still the classic Glenlivet fruitiness, ripe pears


Yes i get the oak toffe and pears

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:37 pm

Its the wood primarily but with and 18yo barrel you would normally be down to around 70% full in the barrel so reactions like oxidization now play a bigger part in the flavour.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby les taylor » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:41 pm

Ian Logan wrote:just looking at some notes I have here for 18yo and it says toffee, oak, summer fruit, beeswax, and mint on the nose with the palate being malty, spicy, fizzy and bitter oranges



When I read this and then smelt the whisky everything you said happened. Yet when its on your tongue different things happen. Like the bitter oranges but not fizzy. Ian I really have got a lot from this tasting.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:46 pm

Good evening Sean. Its not a huge amount in Sherry wood, doesn't take a lot to influence a vatting anyhow. Sorry to say I am not going to discuss percentages etc. Too much sherry and the rubbery, sulphury, burnt match aromas start to appear.
So the amount is probably not as much as you think

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:34 am

Sorry I had to leave, cooked supper, had a short nap and now am just going to cut the roast. Be browsing on the sidelines for awhile...
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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby RufusA » Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:41 am

Just popping in to say Hi - looks like I've missed most of the tasting!

Sadly the only Glenlivet I have to hand is a 12YO which has been open longer than is good for it, so I won't offer any tasting notes, as a lot of the finesse has gone from it. An overstocking of another Glen... (premiumisation resulting in a lot of the old bottles being dumped in supermarkets at rude not to prices), has left me :oops:

As others have said at one time I used to dismiss the Glenlivet, another mainstream middle of the road Speysider. But since sitting in a Masterclass, and spending some time in the company of Ian at WL I've learnt to taste it properly, give it longer in the mouth, enjoy it's subtlety and notice it's understated complexity.

Nadurra CS was still my favourite from the Chivas cluster of stands at WL (well of the affordable ones), and it's really good news that there is a strong will for the CS version to appear in the UK.

I hope Ian has some news on that front for next WL :smoke: ! If nothing else it would be great if he could make sure a few CS bottles were available for RM to sell on the day!

I'm off to enjoy some shut eye now!

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby K-Mile » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:30 am

Hi guys 'n gals,

Just a quick note that I am behind my laptop, tired after a hard day of work (and party) at my new place, but I will have a go at the 12yo tonight. I'm afraid my palate is not up to the other drams, so I will save them for next week.

First, I'll pour myself a dram and try to catch up with the thread...

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Ian Logan » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:32 am

Folks,

It is nearly 00.30 on Saturday morning here in Gods country and I am calling it a night. Thank you all for taking the time to drop by, I have had a great time. For those of you still yo join in please send me a PM if you have any questions and I will answer over the next couple of days.
Looking forward to next Friday, have fun folks, remember thats what it is all about.....fun!!!!!

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:32 am

Ganga wrote:Well, I've made it home from work with a bottle Glenlivet in hand. Who else is around?
What sort of Glenlivet big boy?
M.P.
G'night Ian, thanks very much for giving up your Friday evening/Saturday morning to join us on the Forums. You've answered some very interesting questions already and I'll look forward to seeing what else is touched upon next Friday.
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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby K-Mile » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:43 am

Went through the thread, I must say it is wonderful to have Ian around. Reading the comments I learned a lot of stuff, not just the dram but also what work goes into creating it. Thanks Ian for all your informative answers.

Now on to that 12yo... :thumbsup:

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:49 am

K-Mile wrote: ...Now on to that 12yo... :thumbsup:
And, how are you enjoying your 12 yo? Now that I've had a bit of a nap, it appears my senses have reset and I can pick up a lot more in the dram than I did earlier today.

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby K-Mile » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:55 am

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The Glenlivet 12yo
Nose : Smoky, fruity as well, very fresh, has some tropical fruits in there. A little bit of bread, as has been mentioned before. I really like the smoothness, it appears to be well balanced. On a second sniff, definitely pineapple?! Nice!
Palate : Soft, tastes very smooth. Not too oily, really light. Hard (for me at least, at the moment) to identify distinct aroma's on the palate. Slightly dry, but not too much alcohol. No tingling on my tongue? I like it when it does...
Finish : Again, fruitiness. A bit perfumy. Maybe a little bit bitter? Not that powerful, but lasts quite a while. Brings up that tropical fruits again.
Comment : Very easy dram, but not bad at all. It's well balanced, but light and does not have any rough edges. Very enjoyable!

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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:02 am

K-Mile: Excellant notes, as always. One of my personal favorite drams when I'm looking for a clean crisp dram to enjoy. I guess I'll have to pick up a new one as this is the last of this bottle.
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Re: The Glenlivet Forum Tasting - 16th Nov 2007

Postby K-Mile » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:04 am

Muskrat Portage wrote:
K-Mile wrote: ...Now on to that 12yo... :thumbsup:
And, how are you enjoying your 12 yo? Now that I've had a bit of a nap, it appears my senses have reset and I can pick up a lot more in the dram than I did earlier today.

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Peter, I like it a lot! :thumbsup: It handles a lot easier than I expected at this time of the night (it's 2 am here). Very tasteful for such a 'light' dram.

But how much I am inclined to open up that Nadurra tonight, I am going off to bed. Not that active this tasting, but just wait until next week ;) At least I had a really nice introduction to The Glenlivet tonight, although I think I like my dram to be a bit more kicking :) But for a night like this its perfect.

Got a busy day tomorrow, so after this short but nice participation I'm off to bed. Enjoy your second round Peter, and your first Ganga and all the others that have not joined in (Mikey? I see you as active, ready to join in?)

Goodnight!

Ganga: Wow, where did that come from? First things first, but with that many glasses I'm sure you'll enjoy plenty of your Glenlivet!

Peter: Thanks! I got myself a bottle of a liter, and I'm glad I did :) I expect this one to work just as well for new whisky drinkers, so I will have to repeat this one at the office next week... ;)


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