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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:26 pm

Well i'm off guys , have had a great night
Goodnight

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Mr Fjeld » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:27 pm


Talisker DE "Amoros wood"
Nose : Not as smoky as I had expected - not really that sweet either but a subtle sweetness resembling rose water. Faintly nutty
Palate : Oh, nice! Makes an impression and follows up as promised in the nose. Again, a subtle sweetness and something nutty, then smoke which clinges on to the sides of the mouth
Finish : Could perhaps be longer but not really disappointing
Comment : I really like it. Although it could have a longer lasting finish it's still mouthfilling and nice

The way this tasting goes I'll probably end up like a "mini-Musky" with 80ish something bottles open..... :P

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:28 pm

Spirit of Islay wrote:Well i'm off guys , have had a great night
Goodnight


Goodnight SOI, good to have you here. Thanks for your very descriptive and informative notes!

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Mr Fjeld » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:30 pm

Yes, good night Gordon! Great to see you here!

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:32 pm

Musky wrote:Talisker Distillers Edition TD-S:5 AM (1986) 45.8 abv
Nose : Oily, with a sea breeze thrown in, redolent of Jeraz Amoroso sherry, succulent aroma of cherries, with an undercurrent of Malt
Palate : Sweet, malty with a tinge of iodine, a hint of chocolate at the end
Finish : Long and warming, the mouth salivates at the after effect of the sherry and alcohol. Has a nice mouth prickle to it.
Comment : Mr Copeland, you distilled a fine dram


Les Taylor wrote:Talisker Distillers TD-S:5HT 45.8abv. Distilled 1992 bottled 2005
NOSE Just slightly peaty and orangey
PALATE Sweet christmas pudding orange peel and peppery.
FINISH Dates and cinnamon. A very nice after taste that hangs there.
COMMENT Smooth the sherry comes through an excellent after dinner dram.
Distilled 6 years apart and having the same abv, yet both have markedly different characteristics outside of the sherry flavour. One isn't better than the other just different. I take it the Jeraz Amoroso style of cask is still used for this DE version?

Interesting, I wonder what Christian's will have for notes...
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And here we go...
Mr Fjeld wrote:Talisker DE "Amoros wood"
Nose : Not as smoky as I had expected - not really that sweet either but a subtle sweetness resembling rose water. Faintly nutty
Palate : Oh, nice! Makes an impression and follows up as promised in the nose. Again, a subtle sweetness and something nutty, then smoke which clinges on to the sides of the mouth
Finish : Could perhaps be longer but not really disappointing
Comment : I really like it. Although it could have a longer lasting finish it's still mouthfilling and nice

I have to agree, the smoke I expected wasn't really there. These all sound like drams that would be great for a HTH someday, shall we meet say in the midAtlantic?
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:35 pm

Muskrat Portage wrote:Distilled 6 years apart and having the same abv, yet both have markedly different characteristics outside of the sherry flavour. One isn't better than the other just different. I take it the Jeraz Amoroso style of cask is still used for this DE version?

Interesting, I wonder what Christian's will have for notes...
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Good observation Musky! This is what makes this interaction fun and educating.

My recently bought 10yo identifies more with the 1992 DE than your notes, so might be a recent development spanning more expressions of Talisker.

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:38 pm

And goodnight to you Gordon, I'm falling behind here. It was a privelege to dram in absentia with you. A very enticing collection you have there.

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Mr Fjeld » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:38 pm

Peter - you'll find my notes a few posts below...

Again, I need more patience.....
This one also opens up quite a lot in the glass when left. It has become more nutty but the smoke is also more present - and ginger - big time ginger! Interestingly, I find this "wood finish" to be more subtle than what I usually think of as a "finish" . Compared to the Caol Ila DE (Muscatel finish) this one only have a "twist" or a suggestion of another finish whereas the Caol Ila is more affected by the wine cask.
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:40 pm

Joy is home, time to go grocery shopping, see you in an hour or so, we may have to go out for supper too!

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:41 pm

Mr Fjeld wrote:Peter - you'll find my notes a few posts below...

Again, I need more patience.....
This one also opens up quite a lot in the glass when left. It has become more nutty but the smoke is also more present - and ginger - big time ginger! Interestingly, I find this "wood finish" to be more subtle than what I usually think of as a "finish" . Compared to the Caol Ila DE (Muscatel finish) this one only have a "twist" or a suggestion of another finish whereas the Caol Ila is more affected by the wine cask.

Yeah, I noticed, I went back and edited my post to include it so I could compare a bit easier. Really sounds like a pleasing to own dram.

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:42 pm

Muskrat Portage wrote:Joy is home, time to go grocery shopping, see you in an hour or so, we may have to go out for supper too!

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Enjoy, and see you in a while!

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Mr Fjeld » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:55 pm

I'm going to say goodbye for now as well. I'll try to come back in a couple of hours to see if anyone is present. If so I'll join in!
So far it's been great!
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:56 pm

Mr Fjeld wrote:I'm going to say goodbye for now as well. I'll try to come back in a couple of hours to see if anyone is present. If so I'll join in!
So far it's been great!
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Have a good nap or night, and see you around! I'll be behind the computer for an hour or so at least, so we'll see where it goes.

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby les taylor » Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:43 pm

Nite guys it's 20 to midnight time for bed. For my first tasting online I really enjoyed it. I must master the live button to get more out of it. I did get Mrs Les to join in as well and some of her comments were included. When I told her it was an internatinal tasting of Talisker's she was quite impressed.

Thanks guys for all your imput. And well done Mp a great show.


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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:45 pm

les taylor wrote:Nite guys it's 20 to midnight time for bed. For my first tasting online I really enjoyed it. I must master the live button to get more out of it. I did get Mrs Les to join in as well and some of her comments were included. When I told her it was an internatinal tasting of Talisker's she was quite impressed.

Thanks guys for all your imput. And well done Mp a great show.


Les. :)


Thanks for showing up, and your input. Have a good night!

I just poured myself my second last dram of HP12...

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:15 am

Ganga:
Lonely? I'm back, done groceries and dinner. What's up next?
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:23 am

I'm still here, about to pour myself an Ardbeg 10, or Bowmore Dawn, to finish the night and go to sleep.

Had a HP12 in between, but after the Talisker that took some getting used to again...

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:41 am

Musky wrote:Talisker Distillers Edition TD-S:5 AM (1986) 45.8 abv
Nose : Oily, with a sea breeze thrown in, redolent of Jeraz Amoroso sherry, succulent aroma of cherries, with an undercurrent of Malt
Palate : Sweet, malty with a tinge of iodine, a hint of chocolate at the end
Finish : Long and warming, the mouth salivates at the after effect of the sherry and alcohol. Has a nice mouth prickle to it.
Comment : Mr Copland, you distilled a fine dram

Les Taylor wrote:Talisker Distillers TD-S:5HT 45.8abv. Distilled 1992 bottled 2005
NOSE Just slightly peaty and orangey
PALATE Sweet christmas pudding orange peel and peppery.
FINISH Dates and cinnamon. A very nice after taste that hangs there.
COMMENT Smooth the sherry comes through an excellent after dinner dram.

Ganga wrote:TD-S:5HT 1992 DE 45.8, glencairn
Nose : the sea is quite apparent. Is that hints of cocoa? Light orange peels.
Palate : Wow, smoked peat/seaweed. A little ripe oranges. A little bit oily on the palate.
Finish : Moderately long with smoke and seaweed returing.
Comment : This is a very nice expression from a wonderful distillery.

Mr Fjeld wrote:Talisker DE "Amoros wood"
Nose : Not as smoky as I had expected - not really that sweet either but a subtle sweetness resembling rose water. Faintly nutty
Palate : Oh, nice! Makes an impression and follows up as promised in the nose. Again, a subtle sweetness and something nutty, then smoke which clinges on to the sides of the mouth
Finish : Could perhaps be longer but not really disappointing
Comment : I really like it. Although it could have a longer lasting finish it's still mouthfilling and nice

Re: Talisker Distillers TD-S:5HT 45.8abv. Distilled 1992

Two identical whiskies tasted, with different perspectives on the flavours by Les and Ganga. Not dissimilar but neither do your tastes and experiences mirror each other. Puts a bit of a reality check on the notes published by experts. We all have our own strengths and weaknesses (anosmia, colds) to work within the only substative difference is the "experts" are better wordsmiths than we. Is this why we pay for them to write books that we can purchase, so we can develop understanding from their use of the written language.

Despite the intervening years, these DE are not all that disimilar. Tell me, Ganga, who was the master distiller for your bottle? Was it M. Copland? If not, then they were very similar in choices made for the DE.
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Edit: Ganga: Yes, I'm still here and what's next?

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:49 am

Ah. your using different glassware, you have depths I'd never imagined. An excellant idea. I'll run and get a brandy snifter, and my similar to a glencairn Nova Scotia crystal glassware. I'll take a page from your book and try the same whiskies with differing containers.
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:51 am

Nice lineup of notes, similarites and differences, but nothing out of the ordinary (in the different people's experiences I mean, how glassware affects the finish indicates how much whisky tasting depends on whisky nosing). We can pay the experts to do this for us, but trying it on the spot and compare it with friends (although virtual) is much more fun and rewarding.

I am on to my last dram of the night, an Ardbeg TEN. I'll leave you with the Taliskers, don't want to spoil the Live Tasting with off-topic dramming ;)

Musky, you really know how to keep it going :)

BTW: Is there a hint of acetic acid in my Ardbeg Ten? I would have sworn I just smelled some (really good) vinegar in there...

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:56 am

K-Mile wrote:Nice lineup of notes, similarites and differences, but nothing out of the ordinary (in the different people's experiences I mean, how glassware affects the finish indicates how much whisky tasting depends on whisky nosing). We can pay the experts to do this for us, but trying it on the spot and compare it with friends (although virtual) is much more fun and rewarding.

I am on to my last dram of the night, an Ardbeg TEN. I'll leave you with the Taliskers, don't want to spoil the Live Tasting with off-topic dramming ;)

Musky, you really know how to keep it going :)

Don't blame it on me! Ganga and Mikey have been chomping at the bit all day, haven't you boys! Seriously thanks K-mile and y'know post your comments on the Ardbeg, you have a good grasp of whisky, and I for one would like to see what you think of the Ardbeg.
We couldn't do this alone, it's better with all of us here.
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:13 am

Muskrat Portage wrote:Don't blame it on me! Ganga and Mikey have been chomping at the bit all day, haven't you boys! Seriously thanks K-mile and y'know post your comments on the Ardbeg, you have a good grasp of whisky, and I for one would like to see what you think of the Ardbeg.
We couldn't do this alone, it's better with all of us here.
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Allright, I'll pour myself a second one and see what we get...


Ardbeg TEN
Nose : Like I said in my comment, noticed some vinegar for the first time. Salt, sealike. Also something fresh and sour, lemon.
Palate : Salt, tingling on tip of my tongue. Citrus fruit. Heathery, earth smoke.
Finish : Loong, salty, with lots of peat. Lemon peel at the end, slightly bitter, tea.
Comment : The most amazing thing about the TEN is that the bottle feels like it's twice the size of the average whisky bottle. Really impressive, as is its content.


Hi mikey, enjoy! I won't stick around too long, but I'm glad there is some overlap between the continents. I agree, the Ardbeg is a great Scotch, really enjoyable but not your average easy drinker (not like, say, an Highland Park or Cragganmore). Although I wouldn't mind a regular visit to this one ;)

I will pick up on this thread in the morning to see how you all did. Will finish my dram and go to sleep.

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:15 am

(patter patter patter) Okay, got three differing glasses, each containing 1 tblsp of Talisker Distillers Edition TD-S:5 AM (1986) 45.8 abv

1. Standard (flared mouth straight sides)

TD-S:5AM (1986)
Nose : Sweetness is evident as are the previously references
Palate : The same
Finish : Warming and spicy
Comment : A decent way to sample my SMs, and the largest number of specific glassware for tasting I own, (approx 12)

2. Glencairn style (N.S. Crystal, flared mouth, narrower neck, bulbous base)

TD-S:5AM (1986)
Nose : Seems to be a bit fuller in bouquet than the first glass
Palate : no real variation that is obvious, perhaps if I inhaled as I tasted... yes appears to be slightly sweeter in this glassware
Finish : Long and peppery with spices, perhaps a hint of white pepper as opposed to black, seems a trifle hotter than regular pepper
Comment : Sadly I only own 2, but they are the best for tasting and nosing in my book

3. Brandy snifter (same size mouth, bulbous base flare).

TD-S:5AM (1986)
Nose : not quite as intense as in the glencairn style. Perhaps the wider base diffuses too much.
Palate : the least exciting of the three.
Finish : Still long and peppery with spices on the tongue
Comment : A distant third for tasting, good to swirl and warm in your hand, and I own 7 (1 broke a few years back)

Of course this type of tasting is also an excellant reason to try the same dram as many times as you have differing glassware. (Now, where's that water glass gone...)
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:20 am

K-Mile wrote:Ardbeg TEN
Nose : Like I said in my comment, noticed some vinegar for the first time. Salt, sealike. Also something fresh and sour, lemon.
Palate : Salt, tingling on tip of my tongue. Citrus fruit. Heathery, earth smoke.
Finish : Loong, salty, with lots of peat. Lemon peel at the end, slightly bitter, tea.
Comment : The most amazing thing about the TEN is that the bottle feels like it's twice the size of the average whisky bottle. Really impressive, as is its content.

Okay, now when I finish my Talisker, I'll go and pour myself an Ardbeg 10, this is the OB not the IB, right?
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:22 am

Ganga wrote:
Talisker 175th Anniversary, sm brandy
Nose : This is quite pleasant. Honey and cereals.
Palate : ????
Finish : ????
Comment : ????

Ganga, Ganga, are you there (shaking the computer screen)
Mikey can he speak? He sure can't keyboard!
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Ah, you're back! Had me worried for a second looked like you'd fallen asleep at the switch!
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Ganga wrote: :shock: Hey, I was helping someone. Go look again. :D

:headbang: Oh!
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:52 am

Spirit of Islay wrote:Talisker18yo
Nose : sweet-peatiness,peppery .
Palate : not as fiery as the 10yo but still warming with a dryness , lovely stuff
Finish : long and warming,
Comment : A lovely dram , does not disappoint ,

Mr Fjeld wrote:Talisker 18
Nose : Just poured it so I'll concentrate on the nose first. It's not often that I detect the same scents others do but when SOI said sweet peppery I felt I could smell the same. Could be my imagination got triggered by his words but there you go. I also feel it's a little vegetal - like a Rhum Agricole from Martinique would be. Maybe some pencil shavings - I'm not sure? Oh yes, I'm getting toffee too - sweet cereals and toffee/caramell. And add peppermint to that. This one definately benefits from being in the glass for a while. Everything seems to come together and the scents get stronger in character. I love the nose and quite like the mouthfeeling of it - the finish is quite different from anything I've had so far. Oh the nose is really opening up now - it's fantastic! So much better than I remember - and I seem to remember it was quite good! Also, I find the smoke to have a certain "sour" - very nice actually - quality which I've only found in Port Ellens and Springbanks. Do Talisker malt any of its barley themselves like PE and SB did/do?
Palate : a little oily and peppery - but much less so than the Caol Ila 12 for example. It has a tougher bite than I seem to remember. Feels like there's a little sherry matured whisky in it too. Strangely enough the taste of it lasts very long in the back of the mouth and throat after having swollowed. I'm intrigued, it's very good but also quite strange! After a while it seems more fruity but the same long finish applies. it's a good whisky this one!
Finish : Loooong finish, peppery - lasts in the back of the mouth and throat for quite a while
Comment : Well, I'm pouring another - need I say more?
Mikeymad wrote:18yo - standard US release - glencairn
Nose : Softer on the Peat, more on the sweet
Palate : Oh my gosh, spice, hony, peat across the palete
Finish : The spice remains with slowly mellowing peat in the background
Comment : Now with a bit of chocolates
I've lined these up for comparison and again, similar but disimilar, as expected. This is what intrigues me most with tastings, the breadth of life experience and how it impacts your perceptions. Perhaps this would be a good dissertation for someone working on their Masters. Think of the enjoyment you'd find in the field work.
I wish I had decent chocolates to do the comparison Mikeymad is.
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:05 am

Ganga and Mikeymad:
I have to admit that I'm very impressed with the breadth of whiskies you have available to you. Very nice to see, gentlemen. And you also can appreciate them and comment adroitly on them, a pleasure to vicariously dram with you both.

Muskrat

Now, where's that Ardbeg... oh there it is! ... down... those... eleven... steps... to the Lair...
I'm in a bit of pain by the way. Went to Karate last night, muscle spasms in both calves - pushed a bit too hard I guess. Needless to say, the drams are, thankfully, numbing to a certain extent.
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:16 am

Ganga;
Really, that much water? I'm not overly fond of water, no more than a tablespoon worth at most, even 'though I've heard numerous times how it opens up the bouquet.
I find it flattens the dram too much for me.
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:21 am

My turn:
Ooooh!
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:28 am

Ganga wrote:Maybe we can get S'tan De'Mon to join us.

Yes, I 'd noticed him skulking around the Forums a moment ago. Stan, are you coming in out of the cold?
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby Muskrat Portage » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:47 am

Well, my Ardbeg is done and that's my just about 10 pm nightcap. I'll leave you fellows to wait for the Pacific Rim to show. If I can't sleep I'll log back on.
Until tomorrow then,
Slante! and thank you for a wonderful and educational evening.
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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby oldrip57 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:00 am

A "bourboneer's" take on Talisker 10:

Talisker 10
Nose : Sweet and rich malted grain, with a touch of iodine and a hint of butterscotch. Smoke comes on.
Palate : Sweet entry evolving into the doctor's-office antiseptic (not in a bad way, mind you!), spreading to red-taffy apple-candy around the edges. Smoke-dried lumber at the throat.
Finish : Pretty long and warm for the relatively low proof (most of my bourbons top 50% abv/100 proof). Complex combination of dry smoke and sweet grain.
Comment : A 10yo bourbon (new oak) is often a well-aged whiskey; a 10yo Scotch (frequently in ex-bourbon oak) whisky much less so. Still, this offers a surprising complexity without the slightest suggestion of immaturity. I generally prefer Islay and other island malts at 15 or more years. This'll do.

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby oldrip57 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:13 am

Ganga wrote:Thanks for joining in. It's nice to see what other whisky drinkers think of Scotch whisky.


I find I enjoy a higher (almost univeral) percentage of available bourbons, but can find enjoyable whisk(e)ys in all origins/styles. And, the more I've come to understand the American straight whiskeys -- bourbon and rye (Tennessee whiskey is a slightly different animal) -- I find a greater recognition and appreciation for quality in other types, including single malts.
Value, however, keeps me committed to the American whiskeys. I currently have open a handful of bourbons and/or ryes distilled in the '50s and '60s, and didn't pay outrageous sums (over, say, $125) for any of them. How much would the most typical such single malt cost?

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby K-Mile » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:45 am

You guys really hung in there :)
But are you sure all those differrent styles aren't just an excuse to have another dram? ;)

Great session, thanks for joining in everyone who did, and as for the spectators, have a dram with us at The Glenlivet tasting that's coming up :thumbsup:

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Re: 2nd Live Tasting - Fri 19 Oct 8.00pm GMT

Postby les taylor » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:21 pm

Despite not getting the live thing to work it was really good last night I went to bed just before midnight there was about 90 posts made. This morning nearly 150. Well everyone that was involved it made for an enjoyable evening. :thumbsup:


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