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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:24 pm

Collector57 wrote:I'll be back later with luck, but now off to a drinks evening Mrs C57 arranged, unfortunately

Unfortunately? Oh don't be so Bah Humbug about your evening out ;)

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby LagaDrinker » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:25 pm

I've gotta go now folks. Hopefully be back later :D

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby mr_fox » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:29 pm

Lagavulin 16yo L5 43%

Colour - Dorset Honey (we have a pot with us to compare!)

Nose - Burning rubber and TCP (according to Mrs Fox)

Taste - woodsmoked barley sugars

Finish - like you just ate a lump of charcoal. lingering for ages...

Comment - amazing balance between the strength of the nose, taste and finish. and all without mentioning the P word!

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby I_SPEY » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:30 pm

Welcome Mr & Mrs Fox :)
Enjoy this tasting !

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:39 pm

Expression - 1984 Distillers Edition
Year - 1984
Age - 17yo ?
ABV - 43%
Cask / Bottle No. -
Colour - Amber
Nose - Sweet Sherry , bags of smoke , Confectioner Sugar , dried fruits , Christmas Cake .
Palate - Dry on the palate at first , not the "Fire" of the 16yo , more relaxed with the sherry .
Finish - Dry sherry with smoke and iodine .
Comments - Bottled 2001 . The Nose and finish are good on this one but the Palate seems to have went a bit AWOL .

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:42 pm

Great note, Mr&Mrs Fox :thumbsup:

Ganga wrote:
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Ryguy wrote:.......I'm curious to see how many IB's will pop up.

And Alleged Lagavulins Ryans !

I would suggest that most are not. (You started it). :lol: More than likely they are CIs.

Are there really mislabelled IBs or am I showing myself up by asking?

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby mr_fox » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:49 pm

Lagavulin 1988 DE 43% (bottled 2004)

Colour - Manuka honey (redder than the 16yo)

Nose - Lost the 16yo sweetness, and just a bit quieter

Taste - Christmas pudding with lots of brandy just after the flames have gone out.

Finish - Dry smoke

Comment - We both prefer the 16yo to this as it seems to have lost some of the balance.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:50 pm

TreacleSponge wrote:Are there really mislabelled IBs or am I showing myself up by asking?

Not Mislabelled TS , perfectly good question , wish i had a tenner for every Non-attributed Islay that was said to be a Lagavulin !
It sells more bottles if you just happen to say "of course it's a Lagavulin...." when usually it's a young Caol Ila ( which is very like Laga at a young age....) or even a Laphroaig .

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby I_SPEY » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:54 pm

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Lagavulin
1985-2007
This is more 'direct' at first nosing, though. Sweeter, creamier, immediately on peat
Some pepper, walnuts, some ginger, liquorice?, bitter oranges. Powerful smoke. Tobacco!!
Very long, salty and liquoricy.
Great dram, better tha the 16
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21 Years Old
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I tried it, but I think I could do better.
Anyway, it was easier to say, that i't's a dilicious dram.
The taste I liked much was the liquorice. Typical for the dutch! They love it.

Courtesy The Tross!
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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:00 pm

Ohhh I see, like a supermarket Islay single malt? Thanks for the explanation, SoI.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:01 pm

TreacleSponge wrote:Ohhh I see, like a supermarket Islay single malt? Thanks for the explanation, SoI.

Not so much the Supermarket ones TS , one's like the Ileach , Finlaggan , Pibroch , Signatory 5/6yo Vintage Islay etc , etc , etc

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:04 pm

Oh, ok, gotcha now.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby mr_fox » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:09 pm

Lagavulin 1990 DE 43% (bottled 2006)

Colour - red-gold, just a tad darker than the 1988 DE.

Nose - Sheeps wool (raw, for spinning, says Mrs F)

Taste - herbal tablets (http://www.handycandy.co.uk/herbal-tablets-p-346.html) (haven't had any of these for ages but used to love them...)

Finish - sweet toffee, lasting sweetness and some faint smoke

Comment - closer to the sweetness level of the 16yo, nicely rounded.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:10 pm

Expression - 12yo Special Release (Bottled 2002)
Year -
Age - 12yo
ABV - 58%
Cask / Bottle No. -
Colour - Light Gold
Nose - First nose makes the hairs of your nose prick up after the 16yo , then a great dollop of Creamy peat , Mocha Coffee , not at all like it's older brother , more akin to an Ardbeg.....
Palate - Sweet peat , spirity , touch Vanilla , Whoof i think is the word....
Finish - Exceptionally long and peaty !
Comments - Bit of a shock after the older 16yo's but i prefer this type of Lagavulin , seems more natural .

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:14 pm

now over in the SOI chatroom , will pop back to post a couple of more 12yo Tasting Notes....

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:16 pm

My other Lag tonight is the 12. Much much paler than the 16. I haven't included colours in my notes for either, cos the lighting in here isn't very bright and I'm sure I'd call the colour something else in daylight!

Lagavulin 12yo

Lagavulin
12yo 2008
Very promising. Sweet lemon, or lemon drizzle cake with buttercream icing. The sweetness is beautifully balanced with menthol and powerful woody smoke. Something outdoorsy about it.
Thick, oily body. That fabulous bold smoke. Damp hay. A mouthful of Islayness. Sweet and rich and creamy like Green & Black's milk chocolate.
Very long and delicious. Sweet-peaty, swimming pools and a bitter kick before another sweet wave.
Very sumptuous and I prefer it to the 16. There's a hint of strong black coffee in the empty glass. I'd better have some more.
Paler than the 16
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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:21 pm

That's my lot, so I'm going to scoot. I'll check back later on :)

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby I_SPEY » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:29 pm

I'm doing the next dram in your way, Soi :)

Expression - 12yo Special Release (D. 1995 B. 2007)
Age - 12yo
ABV - 56.4%
Cask / Bottle No. -
Colour - White wine
Nose - Black pepper and iodine
Palate - Medicinal, peat, some touches of vanilla, lemon and spicies
Finish - Exceptionally long, peaty and rather salty at the end.
Comments - I love this one.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby I_SPEY » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:34 pm

I'm off, getting tired and my back is going worse every second, so good night and enjoy the rest of your tastings.
I found this very amusing. Thanks.
Rene

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:35 pm

Expression - 12yo Special Release (Bottled 2003)
Year -
Age - 12yo
ABV - 57.8%
Cask / Bottle No. -
Colour - Golden Barley
Nose - Not as prickly on the nose as the 2002 , again spirity , peat , in fact bags of peat !
Palate - Slightly creamy but fully loaded with peat , touch sweetness later on .
Finish - Long and Peaty , touch of pepper .
Comments - Not as balanced as the 2002 12yo , slightly one dimensional but still a nice dram .

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby mr_fox » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:46 pm

Mmmmmm. Thats us done. I think I'll be waking up tomorrow morning with the smoke still lingering in my mouth...

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:58 pm

Last one of the night....
Expression - 12yo Special Release (Bottled 2005) for the Islay Collection Pack
Year -
Age - 12yo
ABV - 56.5%
Cask / Bottle No. -
Colour - Gold
Nose - Again very tingly on the nose , spirity , peaty , slightly creamy , touch Cocoa as well .
Palate - Very creamy at first then the peat attack , frothy Coffee.....
Finish - long and peaty with a touch of pepper again .
Comments - Better than the 2003 but not as good as the 2002 , again a very nice dram .

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:59 pm

Tata for now , concentrating on the chat for the rest of the night......

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Reggaeblues » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:53 am

Ooops! Inlaws to dinner and very good it was too! Chicken in sauce that had a creme fraiche base, with tarragon and sherry vinegar. A smoky undertone to this with hints of bacon frying on a seashore barbecue...nope, i ain't talking about no Islay whisky!

Totally forgot about this live tasting, so have been drinking Glenmorangie Original, followed by Aberlour 10, followed by Glenmo Nectar D'or, followed by a touch of Nadurra...the last two shared with my Scottish FIL.

Just poured an Oogie, which i shall dutifully return to the bottle and replace with a...

...Lagavulin 12 OB 2007!

Nose: Totally different character from the 16, which for me is "The" Lagavulin nose, probably because it was the first nose" to grab me by the b**** an has never let go! Nonetheless, it's fresh! Sea breeze and custard. Such a juxtaposition ( Actually, the 16 does this but in a different way - peat and sherry/16th century bibles and peated molasses.)

but this 12 is like paddling with rolled up trousers in shallow low tide, staring out to sea on a misty morning, with a mug of hot chocolate.

The taste translates...at first. then it explodes on the palate, like an Ardbeg, but sweeter peat...followed by lime merinque pie.

Back to the nose...more chocolate and sponge cake this time, but still the whiff of sea air.

the finish carries with it all these elements, the clean south islay air, the lime, the sweet peat...and it isn't in a hurry to leave...great to find a dram where the theme continues from nose to tail...

A great dram, definitely on a par with the oogie...but different. a little bit subtler...

The only trouble with this dram is the memory of the taste of the Laga 21 I had few weeks ago...and the anticipation of the rest of the sample kindly sent to me by the Tross, which I am saving 'til christmas. Now THAT is off the scale for depth and complexity, with a nose that I breathed for 20 minutes before tasting...

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:50 am

Cheers everyone, great notes so far!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm starting with the 16 OB.

Lagavulin 16yo ( 43%, Original Bottling )

Nose: Wood smoke, a whisp of leather and sherry sweetness

Palate: Very smooth, sweeter than I remember, the burnt wood comes through, then some iodine, salt, and peat

Finish: Long and very smooth, smoke lingers

Very nice dram, this is what got me started on single malts. :smoke:

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:59 am

I know exactly what you're saying Sean, the 12 can be very overpowering, and can really take away from the DE. I still prefer the 12yo over the 16yo, I think it just has more to offer. But when you're talking about the 21, well that's a different story.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:15 am

Lagavulin 12yo ( 58%, OB, 1st Release 2002 )

Nose: Very nice wood smoke with a hint of sea breeze and something sweet, but I can't really tell what.

Palate: Surprisingly sweet, with a hint of vanilla, and loads of peat.

Finish: Long and extremely tasty, a peat fire burns in my mouth!

Comment: I really prefer Lagavulin at CS, I just think it has more to offer. This has everything, so balanced and just a great dram!

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:52 am

Lagavulin 21yo ( 56.5%, Original Bottling 1985/2007, 5778/6642 )

Nose: Wow, now this stuff has it all! Some burnt wood (oak), hints of leather, and an ongoing peat fire, also a hint of toffee.

Palate: Very smooth and balanced, sweet sherry, peat, and just about everything else that I love in a dram. The sherry influence is not overpowering, but just right. Loads of peat as this one goes on, Tasty!

Finish: The finish is long and perfect, I could chew on this all night! Lots of smoke, some salt and it becomes a bit drying, but in a very good way. The smokiness lingers forever!!!

Did I mention I absolutely love this stuff? :D :D :D :D

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Spirit of Islay » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:08 am

Ganga wrote:Sorry, I was tied up all day yesterday.....


Bit too much information about what you and the Missus get up to Rich..... :lol:

Really good set of tasting notes , enjoyed doing the one's i've got , same there wasn't a bit more diversity though , slight lack of I.B.'s by the look of it and the O.B. range isn't that big compared with others .

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:09 am

Forgot about the tasting yesterday so I will have to make it up today.
Starting with a 12yo 48%.
n: leather, smoke, raisins, oak and a lot of oranges
t: like the nose with a lot of white pepper. nice
f: more the raisins and the wood than the leather and smoke.

Thank you I_Spey for the samples of Laga 12 and 16.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:25 am

On to the 16yo:
n: less smoke than the the 12yo which seems tarry compared to this one. also far less leathery dryness, more vanilla and sweets, (white) wine, wood, lime, the association with bonfires on the beach is coming later.
t: round with vanilla and a lot reminds me of olive oil somehow.
f: nice pepper that completes the bonfire with kippers.
c: a subtle whisky that I didn't appreciate before.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:22 am

Springbank 21, 56.5%. Thanks a lot for this beauty Stuart.

n: a little sniff is already nosefilling. very beatiful sherry influence figs and walnuts. lots of wood, smoke, tea and ginger. getting better and better. some red fruits appear as in port(I'm hallucinating now)
t: tea, smoke, wood and the nescessary dirt to make it interesting, very interesting!
f: woody, peppery some matchsticks but nice. probably impossible but I'm getting flashbacks of red berries like raspberries and wild berries.
c: the leather from the 12 and 16 seems to have evolved from leather to tea and the oranges and lime to ginger.

The 12 smells very malty, like boricha(korean barley tea) after this mature 21yo.

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:53 pm

Great notes everyone, I enjoyed reading through them. I agree that it's just too bad that the OB range is so limited, but I do know one thing, I need to buy a bottle of the 12yo now. :D :D

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Re: Lagavulin - 20th December - 7pm GMT

Postby Reggaeblues » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:39 pm

Collector57 wrote:Was that a Springer or a Laga, Ras? :?


My sentiments entirely...


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