Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby TreacleSponge » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:43 pm

JCSkinner wrote:I wish I could put a dram in front of you, TS!
Me too! Thanks for the thought tho' :)

Willie JJ wrote:Unfortunately we can't email it to you Treacle. :?

How was the show the other night btw?

It was fabulous, have posted in the Live thread in The Bar... And if I can't talk Mr.Treacle into taking me to Edinburgh for Witches of Eastwick in December (mmm, Marti Pellow), I think we'll be back later this month to see Poppins again!
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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby DavidH » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:44 pm

I've just had Jameson 12yo but I'm having trouble putting my finger on the notes. And it's not inspiring me to poetry either. Heavy all round. I think some 18yo might help...

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:47 pm

Okay, the OB Connemara now.
Nose: It shows a lot of family resemblance to the CS here. More feinty nail varnish, pear drops, perfumy and solvents in general really, plus charcoal smoke. Maybe not as rich a nose as the CS.
Palate: There's a serious caramel mouthfeel here. Cooley aren't pulling a Jameson and adding caramel, are they? Also brine, tar and peat smoke.
Finish: Vanilla, oddly enough, as it's quite a young whiskey (8 yo, I believe.) Also bananas, and some briny iodine.
This might make a good alternative to basic Islays for Scotch addicts. Then again, I'm probably talking out of my arse, since I don't drink a lot of Scotch. But it bears comparison with the young Bowmores I've tried.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:54 pm

Willie JJ wrote:Sorry about that guys. Its been in the post since Tuesday, but that's clearly not enough. :(


Not your fault. Witness our national postal service, An Post in (in)action!
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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:55 pm

Just tried the jameson distillery reserve 12. Nicer than the signature. A bit more of everything and not as sweet. Oilier. A bit more varnish. Chocolate.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Shrek » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:07 pm

Magilligan (a youngish/5yo+ single malt from Cooley, and not PPS as the bottle states, bottled for Ian Macleod - an independent Scottish bottler). The one I have is unpeated altho they also do an 8yo peated version. According to the IM website this one is a small batch of 6-8yo casks.

I like this one - different from other Irish and as such very much more like a Scottish single malt. Lovely and smooth, loads of vanilla from the bourbon cask influence. Nice and smooth for a youngster, no off notes, just a nice, sweet and malty dram.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:09 pm

Okay Connemara the entire Provence :wink:

Connemara 40%

Nose: Dry earthy Peat. Obvious ripe pear cut with vinegar. Quite soft on the nose.

Palate: Light Quiet sweet with vanilla

Finish: Sweet Drying peat with an ashy feel

Connemara CS 59.6%

Nose: Dryer and sharper than the NAS nearly iron ore earthy peat :? but this time with ripe apple over the pear

Palate: What a beast compared to the lighter NAS. Fuller, rounder and heavier sweetness with almond extract.

Finish: The peat smoke surfaces out of the almond and both cry on to the end in a decent length

Connemara 12yo 40%

Nose: Much thicker & fruitier than the others ... apple skins with syrup of pale fruits. Finding it hard to find the peat or am I nosed out :o

Palate: After the CS again the 40% makes this feel light but plenty of rich sweetness as the nose suggests

Finish: out of the sweetness comes smoke and wood in harmony.

The CS wins hands down for me on this HTH

First Spirits '92 8yo Cooley 46%

Nose: A nose betwen the NAS and CS connemara but with more smoke and slightly less fruit evident

Palate: Beautifully rounded soft sweetness (probably the best mouth feel of all 4) More exotice fruit rather than any apples or pears

Finish: The wonderful rich fruit and smoke take it to the dry ash bridge :thumbsup:

This for me is a great Cooley IB and has become a favourite of mine along with the Connemara CS but the CS has to shade it for any peat heads out there.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:11 pm

Collector57 wrote:Redbreast 12 courtesy IWC

Nose: Honey, vanilla custard, cream - yumm

Palate: This is amazing. There is so much going on here that it's hard to identify individual components. But it's just lovely. Sweet, malty, creamy, spicey, oaky, sherry?, everything

Finish: Long, long. Vanilla, oak and raisins.

Fantastic! I love the 15 but you can't get it. This is available in Waitrose. It is going on my "always have one open" list. Just need to buy some....


That's three Irish on your must-always-have list already, Nick. This could end up being an expensive night for you!
Having said that, I can't fault your palate. I love all three, and do indeed generally have all three open at home. :thumbsup:

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:14 pm

Collector57 wrote:Redbreast 12 courtesy IWC

Nose: Honey, vanilla custard, cream - yumm

Palate: This is amazing. There is so much going on here that it's hard to identify individual components. But it's just lovely. Sweet, malty, creamy, spicey, oaky, sherry?, everything

Finish: Long, long. Vanilla, oak and raisins.

Fantastic! I love the 15 but you can't get it. This is available in Waitrose. It is going on my "always have one open" list. Just need to buy some....



I think you summed it up nicely with the

'.... just lovely. Sweet, malty, creamy, spicey, oaky, sherry?, everything .... '

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:19 pm

I'd agree with Adrian on the Cooley first spirits 8 y o. It's really lovely.

I'm trying the Cadenhead 14 yr old peated single cask.

Stewed fruit, smoke, sweet then bitter, aniseed. Vanilla.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:22 pm

Nick, I think the pure pot still element of Irish whiskey really grows on you too. You could like it even more in a while.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:22 pm

Collector57 wrote:Well, I'm afraid I'm becoming an Irish Whiskey convert :evil:
Not all of them, but the hit rate so far has been exceptionally high.
Just some fantastic samples sent to me by you guys out there.

Thank you to all for opening my eyes to this unexplored area!


Just as long as yourself and Willie keep educating us on Scotch we'll all be happy :wink: :thumbsup:

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:25 pm

Okay, the Connemara 12 yo now. Top of the range, but like Adrian said already, not the best to my mind.
Nose: Feinty again. Pineapples, more nail varnish, and carbolic soap type phenols. Not so smokey, perhaps as a result of some extra time in the wood, but I'm not getting too much vanilla character though.
Palate: Mild coal smoke, more bubble gum, and some bourbonesque leatheriness.
Finish: Natural gas type phenols, still not really peaty, some pear drops, but right at the finish some maltiness is detectable only after a long light smokey finish.
A tad too sweet and insufficiently smokey, and that's from someone who's not a particular peat fan. This is very pale for a 12 yo, so perhaps I was wrong about Cooley playing with caramel additives.
Surprisingly for a whiskey of its age, this is fairly bland. I suspect the phenolic level is relatively low.
I mean, it's not without a taste, but it is without a lot of subtlety. There's some smoke, some sweetness, then it's gone. The base spirit seems to be still showing through, which indicates that perhaps the wood hasn't departed very much.
Can't say I'm a convert to Connemara really. And I've had it enough times now. I'm looking forward to the sherried release though. I think some sherry character is what this family of whiskeys has been missing.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:29 pm

Aidan wrote:I'd agree with Adrian on the Cooley first spirits 8 y o. It's really lovely.

I'm trying the Cadenhead 14 yr old peated single cask.

Stewed fruit, smoke, sweet then bitter, aniseed. Vanilla.


I was kinda thinking that the First Spirits was in the Cadenheads vein but I have nothing to compare it to at the mo.... would I be right in saying that the Cadenheads bottlings are more brutish and the First Spirits bottle has a bit more finesse ?????

I loved the Cadenheads 13 & 15 but they are now memories so I'm thinking now they may not be the same style.

Can' wait to get my Cadenheads sample :D :twisted:

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:36 pm

My quotes button is not working... Anyway, yes, I'd say the Cadenhead has a little more punch to it.

I'll give you a sample when you're in dublin. They have the midleton single cask in the Celtic Whiskey Shop now.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:45 pm

Moving on to the Knappogue 94, courtesy of Micheal.
Nose: Cut grass from the off. You'd know straight out that this was Bushmills spirit. But then there's some new things - exotic fruit like lychees, fudge, cocoa powder.
Palate: Milk chocolate, a creaminess coating the whole mouth, followed in turn by sultanas, almonds and dried orange peel. This whiskey tastes like the spirits equivalent of a fruit and nut bar!
Finish: It finishes extremely well, and lingers long. I'm getting dark chocolate, digestive biscuits (the malt, presumably), and some citrus.
You'd know it was Bushmills immediately. Yet it's quite atypical of their own bottlings, except perhaps for some of their single bourbon cask releases.
This is a smashing whiskey. Right up there, possibly beyond Bush's own 12 yo bottlings, including the distillery reserve and the 1608 which are much more sherried. I've got to lay my hands on a bottle of this. It seems to deserve some of the high marks some of the whiskey writers have given it.
Thanks again, Micheal! :thumbsup:

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:45 pm

Knappogue Castle 1994 (L6) 12yo

Nose: Quite malty & grassy but with an underlying sweet citrus zing

Palate: A nice smooth creamy malt with wonderful sweet fruit (peach maybe)

Finish: Finish is a bit disappointing but there is a sense or real home made sugar sweet lemonade there. Woody dryness.

This is not a bad dram at all and certainly very drinkable but is one I need to be in the mood for ....

i did have a long day today so will definitely revisit this one though for a second opinion :wink:

Thanks Micheál for the sample much appreciated :thumbsup:

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Shrek » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:48 pm

Bushmills Select Casks 12yo - travel retail.

I can't my head round this one at all - to me it's like the Bushmills 10, just bland, but the rum cask influence seems to have given it a tangy, off-key element.

I have now tried this about 6 or 7 times, after buying it earlier this year, and can't fathom it out. I only bought it after being bored out of my skull one time sitting in an airport lounge - and I have about 80cl left of the 1L bottle, yikes. It's not bad, just not very good :?

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:52 pm

Shrek wrote:Bushmills Select Casks 12yo - travel retail.

I can't my head round this one at all - to me it's like the Bushmills 10, just bland, but the rum cask influence seems to have given it a tangy, off-key element.

I have now tried this about 6 or 7 times, after buying it earlier this year, and can't fathom it out. I only bought it after being bored out of my skull one time sitting in an airport lounge - and I have about 80cl left of the 1L bottle, yikes. It's not bad, just not very good :?


John Hansell was blogging about this whiskey only today. Apparently Bush are planning a more aged rum-casked whiskey as their next new release. See here:
http://blog.maltadvocate.com/2008/11/15 ... cask-aged/

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:02 am

JC's comments prompted me to try another Bushmills and it will have to be the 1680 Ann Ed.

Bushmills 1680 Anniversary edition 46%

Nose: Lightly toasted something or other :roll: malt and a mix of fruits

Palate: Lovely sweetness with a splash of pepper then some exotic fruits

Finish: I actually find that this has a longer and more pleasing finish for me and strangely a drying nearly ashiness in the very end :?

This is the gass thing about whiskey ... we as individuals have very different tastes and maybe sometimes certain tastes are accentuated in my taste buds and vice versa with JC so we get 2 varying reports. I have to say the 1608 really does it for me and I can honestly say it is probably one of my favourite Bushes

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:04 am

I have just poured that Bushmills. Quite spirity on the nose. I think it's okay. Sometimes I like it and other times I don't. This is in between.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:06 am

Sorry lads & Lass but I have to bow out .... I've been up and on the go since 6.30am and quite bush whacked now after a few so I'll take my leave. Thank you all for your company and I'll revisit this at a later date and catch up and add a few more comments hopefully


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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:07 am

The 12 year old select cask rum one, that is.

I'll pour the 1608 anniversary one next.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:12 am

Actually, I find the finish rumbles on and on. It's getting nicer and nicer.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:16 am

irishwhiskeychaser wrote:This is the gass thing about whiskey ... we as individuals have very different tastes and maybe sometimes certain tastes are accentuated in my taste buds and vice versa with JC so we get 2 varying reports. I have to say the 1608 really does it for me and I can honestly say it is probably one of my favourite Bushes


I love the 1608 too. It's annoying you can only get it in duty free. I have a couple of 33cl mini bottles and may crack one now.
But you're spot on about different palates. They're as unique to a person as fingerprints.
When I was on the Guinness panel, the arguments we had used to be mighty. But that was the point of having a panel and not a sole taster. No one person can get everything. Each palate has its own strengths and weaknesses.
And that's before you get into personal preferences!

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:16 am

Willie. I think it's like the best Arrans. I don't like all Arans, but some of them are very good. I had a 13 year old while at the distillery last month and it was like the aged Tyrconnells.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Shrek » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:17 am

I'm now on to Redbreast - doing a HTH between the 12yo (a standard pour for me together with Black Bush) and the 15yo (first time I've tried it, many thanks to Willie for splitting this sample).

The metallic spice of RB12 I find to be unique and I love it, however the 15 offers that bit more right enough, both on the nose and the palate. More amplified is the linseed oil and the madeira cake, but the spice is a bit more subtle.

The 15 is much more winey, but the finish I find a bit musty. Anyway it's a pleasure to try this. :thumbsup:

...... and yes, I have stocked up with (plenty) RB12 at Waitrose :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby DavidH » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:23 am

Willie JJ wrote:Tyrconnell 15yo SC 1992 no 348

This stuff is brilliant. If I had to pick a comparable Scotch it would be Inchgower I think.

I really like the 15yo too. And now I have a good hint that I'd like Inchgower too.

Sorry I'm not contributing more here. I'm working away on my PC, following the whiskey conversation and drinking (Jameson 18yo currently), and I'm probably not doing any of them well :D

Willie, I'm going to have to send you some Tyrconnell 10yo port finish, if you don't have any already. I reckon if you like the 15yo you'll like this too.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:25 am

I'll have to try Inchgower. It's one I haven't tried before.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:29 am

Willie JJ wrote:
JCSkinner wrote:I love the 1608 too. It's annoying you can only get it in duty free.


I saw it in RMW earlier JC and they have it in the website:

1608 at RMW

You can have it delivered to your door (for a price of course).


Cheers for that, Willie. Fortunately, I have a couple of 33cl bottles in the cabinet, but I'll keep RMW in mind if I run out.

Edit: Ooops! That's the 400th anniversary Bush. I got a few of those up at the distillery. The crystal malt effect is quite interesting.
I thought everyone was talking about the duty free 1608, which is a 12 yo done in sherry casks. This one:
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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:42 am

Sorry Nick. I edited my post. I was thinking of a different Bushmills 1608.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Ras Mazunga » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:48 am

I'm having a good time tasting the samples. Thanks a lot for that. But I just don't have the inspiration to post anything tonight. That is not because of the whiskies, because they are great, it's just me that is the problem... :insane:

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby JCSkinner » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:56 am

I'm going to have to bail as well. The Mrs just walked in the door after a week in the Canaries (without me! Meh.) :evil:
Look at all of us, running for the carriage before it turns into a pumpkin!
I'll be back tomorrow and I'm looking forward to reading people's perspectives on more Irish whiskeys!
Good luck, everyone.
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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby Aidan » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:00 am

I'm off too. Nice to talk to you all. 'Night.

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Re: Irish Whiskey - 15th November - 7pm (GMT)

Postby TheTross » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:06 am

K94 12yo (40%)

Nose: Lemon zest, lemon sherbert and grass. A little spearmint. Vanilla ice-cream. Light oak and a very faint suggestion of powdered white pepper.

Palate: Quite oily, but light and soft. Lemon and honey again, with a little malt. Very soft oak in the background.

Finish: Citrus fruit and lots of honey. Perhaps a very faint touch of peat. A little oak appears late on and mingles with the lingering lemon.


Is this Knappogue Castle? Micheál (catach) was pretty cryptic with some of the labelling! Anyway, I quite like the nose on this, but overall it's just too light for me I'm afraid, particularly on the palate.


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